stefan9107
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Saw another one today where some minor celebrity had the brakes fail on theirs whilst approaching a red light. Didn't read the article, but it seems a lot of I Pace issues are coming to the surface recently.
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cj10jeeper
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After close to 10,000 mlles on a full BEV I don't see this as an issue. For sure most braking is done as 1 pedal if you opt for that mode, but you still use the disk brakes frequently when anticipation isn't enough. You also need to press the pedal even to start the car, so that excercises the pistons.scm said:
It certainly takes getting used to 1 pedal driving, but you soon adapt to it, just as we do the manual Vs auto, diesel to petrol, etc.
PhilB
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Back in 2018 I was at my dealer and they had an iPace in as a demo.
The test route they used was 9 miles around the block so to speak.
Salesman told me that on full charge after 9 miles (they were giving it the full beans) it had reduced to 35% so this incident does seem a bit strange.
For any body who thinks that EV's are environmentally friendly then google the "Polestar report on EV's" where they come clean (pardon the pun) about the true CO2 footprint from day one of manufacture and the additional 10-12 tons of CO2 that manufacturing the battery produces before it turns a wheel.
A new petrol car has a carbon footprint that's lower than an EV until it's done around 50,000 miles in this country with current electricity supply makeup.
A brief synopsis on the report from an Autocar article here:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business/analysis-polestar-lifts-lid-lifetime-ev-emissions
There are a lot of incovenient truths about EV's.
A recent senate hearing in the US was told that if every country reached a target of 50% EV's on their roads by 2030 it would reduce global average temperatures by 2090 by 0.0002 % of one degree F.
EV's are not the answer and that's before you get into ethical questions about how Lithium is mined and other matters.
The test route they used was 9 miles around the block so to speak.
Salesman told me that on full charge after 9 miles (they were giving it the full beans) it had reduced to 35% so this incident does seem a bit strange.
For any body who thinks that EV's are environmentally friendly then google the "Polestar report on EV's" where they come clean (pardon the pun) about the true CO2 footprint from day one of manufacture and the additional 10-12 tons of CO2 that manufacturing the battery produces before it turns a wheel.
A new petrol car has a carbon footprint that's lower than an EV until it's done around 50,000 miles in this country with current electricity supply makeup.
A brief synopsis on the report from an Autocar article here:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business/analysis-polestar-lifts-lid-lifetime-ev-emissions
There are a lot of incovenient truths about EV's.
A recent senate hearing in the US was told that if every country reached a target of 50% EV's on their roads by 2030 it would reduce global average temperatures by 2090 by 0.0002 % of one degree F.
EV's are not the answer and that's before you get into ethical questions about how Lithium is mined and other matters.
stefan9107
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cj10jeeper said:
Agreed. I don't use one pedal driving on my iX3 as I'm just not a huge fan of having to slowly release the accelerator to make it smooth. I have tried it many many times though and there is no way you can consistently stay away from the brakes on any journey, especially in town. You would have to be purposely going out of your way and really trying hard to do it. There are just too many unforeseen braking events in everyday driving.
I think in reality most of the things that go wrong with BEV's also go wrong with ICE cars, it's just that there is this absolute hyper focus on EV's and a lot of people almost wanting them to fail. In the past few months I've seen 2 sets of photos of crashed Cybertrucks and one video of one stuck on a beach. Now I hate the Cybertruck, but how many other cars crash or get stuck and make the headlines because of it? It's because people are looking for that failure and jumping at the chance to post about it. In reality, BEV's are actually really good vehicles and great at what they do, and they do have a place in this world. That place is about 20-30% of vehicles on the road, where someone very very rarely does more than 200-250 miles a day and has a driveway and home charger. As such, only 20-30% of cars produced by manufacturers should be BEV... looking at you Jaguar *cough* back on topic, see what I did there *cough*
stefan9107
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PhilB said:
Wait, you're saying that they claimed the I-Pace went from 100% charge to 35% charge after 9 miles? If that's the case they either had a very defective car or I call bullshit on their part (not yours).
As you said, it varies based on where you live and where your electricity comes from, but you are correct that it does take a number of miles for an EV to become more environmentally friendly than an ICE car. However... they all still are more environmentally friendly eventually provided they don't get written off. Engineering Explained did the maths on it based on where he lives in the states and it came out that anything beyond about 35-40k miles and the EV was better. Mileage will vary a lot of course, but long term they are still better.
Every single study I see on the effect of EV cars is wildly different and that one is on the extreme extreme side of negative and frankly I don't buy it. If you look up where that number comes from, it was from the former general counsel of the USD of Transportation Steven Bradbury. His paper references the quote from a Bjorn Lomborg opinion piece in the wall street journal. Bjorn Lomborg is someone who makes a living by being "skeptical" about climate change and has been formally accused of of scientific misconduct by his colleagues and peers. Apparently he likes to cherry pick minor bits of data and performs some pretty shoddy statistical analysis to come up with some very "fantastical" numbers to help sell his books.
And I'm not even that big of a fan of EV's outside of my company car tax savings :lol:
WShudds
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I have a good contact in the component engineering team at JLR and he said they had carried out the comparison and the carbon emissions to produce an EV is 30% higher compared to an ICE car. You obviously won't see this data in the public domain.
On the subject of using 1 pedal, after 24 years of driving I could not transition from 3 to 2 never mind 1
On the subject of using 1 pedal, after 24 years of driving I could not transition from 3 to 2 never mind 1
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More news reports
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68514718
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68514718
stefan9107
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So apparently they've arrested the driver of the "run away" I Pace.
No detail on what they found, but apparently after the DVSA and Jaguar investigated it warranted an arrest.
Makes you wonder if he made the situation up to get out of being pulled over for speeding?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13192851/Police-arrest-Jaguar-Pace-driver-31-suspicion-dangerous-driving-control-car-rammed-road-officers-went-rogue-speeds-120mph.html
No detail on what they found, but apparently after the DVSA and Jaguar investigated it warranted an arrest.
Makes you wonder if he made the situation up to get out of being pulled over for speeding?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13192851/Police-arrest-Jaguar-Pace-driver-31-suspicion-dangerous-driving-control-car-rammed-road-officers-went-rogue-speeds-120mph.html
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Dangerous driving and being a public nuisance!
And probably a law suit from JLR (if it was the USA).
And probably a law suit from JLR (if it was the USA).
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Hopefully the right topic to bring back to life.
Reports of Jaguar back tracking on all electric future and spending extra £3 billion to integrate ICE into new model line up. Interesting. Especially as they have ditched the current models but have yet to give any information on the new models with just 4 months left before the clock chimes 2025.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-electric-vehicles/jlr-ups-spending-%C2%A33bn-hedge-against-slowing-ev-uptake
Reports of Jaguar back tracking on all electric future and spending extra £3 billion to integrate ICE into new model line up. Interesting. Especially as they have ditched the current models but have yet to give any information on the new models with just 4 months left before the clock chimes 2025.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-electric-vehicles/jlr-ups-spending-%C2%A33bn-hedge-against-slowing-ev-uptake
MajorTom
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Going all EV was relevant marketing talk a few years ago but I never really believed they'd let go of ICE entirely in 2025. They're not stupid. It also won't surprise me if we one day in a not too distant future will see a successor to the F-Type with an all ICE or hybrid drivetrain.
WShudds
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MajorTom said:
They're not stupid but boy how hard they try.... I can't believe they did not forsee what was going to happen i.e. China flooding the market with "cheap" EVs, Tesla dumping prices trying to compete and charging infrastructure lagging. Roadworks take longer here than any other country I know (and I've been to quite a few) imagine laying down new infrastructure.
Everyone at the top of JLR responsible for the stupid decision to kill the F-type and others should be sacked. And I hope they will come to their senses and give us a greenwashed F-type with an electric supercharger.
MajorTom
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I for one hope and think that there are some rather clever people within JLR who probably could forsee a thing or two. What a company chooses to disclose publicly rarely represents what's actually going on behind the scenes. Our X152 generation of the F-Type is unfortunately a 10+ year old platform so it was inevitable that it had to go. It's just a shame they didn't come up directly with a successor similar to the facelifted Vantage with a current and politically correct drivetrain. The C-X16 concept was actually a hybrid so the initial ideas for the F-Type weren't that bad. 
I think they're finally getting their act together after more than a decade of a failed delusional mass market strategy resulting in cars and engines that never should have had a Jaguar badge. Hopefully they're getting back to what they were like back when I got in to the brand. Three models only. Two saloons and a sports/GT model in coupé and convertible form. All exciting, great looking, fast, well equipped and rather aspirational. Higher prices and fewer dealers than today. No mass market models, no poverty spec versions, no off road or school run cars.
I think they're finally getting their act together after more than a decade of a failed delusional mass market strategy resulting in cars and engines that never should have had a Jaguar badge. Hopefully they're getting back to what they were like back when I got in to the brand. Three models only. Two saloons and a sports/GT model in coupé and convertible form. All exciting, great looking, fast, well equipped and rather aspirational. Higher prices and fewer dealers than today. No mass market models, no poverty spec versions, no off road or school run cars.
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To me it seems a muddled and mismanaged mess with little information.
You don't spend £12b on rebranding and new cars and a very clear message that we will be electric only, then realise with 4 months to go, actually let's spend another £3b trying to shoe horn in an engine. Electric cars are not the future.
What we seem to be waiting for is a 3 car line up. Sports, cross over and something bigger, in two trim levels, possible RWD single motor and then AWD dual motor. Prices starting from £100k-£120k to £140k-£160k and maybe a SVR in the future with tri motor and £200k price tag.
I don't know anyone who has £3k a month spare to drop on a PCP. And if they did, they would probably buy a Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, Bentley.
You don't spend £12b on rebranding and new cars and a very clear message that we will be electric only, then realise with 4 months to go, actually let's spend another £3b trying to shoe horn in an engine. Electric cars are not the future.
What we seem to be waiting for is a 3 car line up. Sports, cross over and something bigger, in two trim levels, possible RWD single motor and then AWD dual motor. Prices starting from £100k-£120k to £140k-£160k and maybe a SVR in the future with tri motor and £200k price tag.
I don't know anyone who has £3k a month spare to drop on a PCP. And if they did, they would probably buy a Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, Bentley.
mickjaguar
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The press releases (autocar etc) mention £3bn of investment to continue ICE for 'JLR'. Many of these announcements refer to JLR rather than Jaguar, so it's maybe more aimed at keeping Range Rovers bringing the profits in, rather than doing an about turn on Jaguar. Nice if they did, but I would prioritise putting the money into what is known to give good volume and return.
Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be seeing a Jaguar sports car any time soon. I think, the media articles have mentioned the next 3 EV's being a four door GT and two SUV variants. The first of which (GT) is said to be revealed at the end of 2024, with customer deliveries towards the end of 2025. The other two models then following in 2026 and 2027. Even if a Jaguar sports car design was started today, we'd probably not see it in production for 5-7 years anyway.
Strategy is difficult, with so much change and politicians chopping and changing direction. Back in 2021 they made the decision for the Jaguars EV's to go upmarket. Is this correct? Who knows, but we can now see that trying to compete with China for the mass market is increasingly not an option. In a way JLR have gone with what has worked already. They have a very successful upmarket/luxury brand (Range Rover). Can they do the same an reinvent Jaguar into another new segment? It's a gamble, but in a way it's one they have done before. Who know, but I wish them luck.
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Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be seeing a Jaguar sports car any time soon. I think, the media articles have mentioned the next 3 EV's being a four door GT and two SUV variants. The first of which (GT) is said to be revealed at the end of 2024, with customer deliveries towards the end of 2025. The other two models then following in 2026 and 2027. Even if a Jaguar sports car design was started today, we'd probably not see it in production for 5-7 years anyway.
Strategy is difficult, with so much change and politicians chopping and changing direction. Back in 2021 they made the decision for the Jaguars EV's to go upmarket. Is this correct? Who knows, but we can now see that trying to compete with China for the mass market is increasingly not an option. In a way JLR have gone with what has worked already. They have a very successful upmarket/luxury brand (Range Rover). Can they do the same an reinvent Jaguar into another new segment? It's a gamble, but in a way it's one they have done before. Who know, but I wish them luck.
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Jaguar announces it will not be selling any new cars, for the whole of 2025.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/jaguar-won-t-sell-cars-for-a-whole-year-as-it-switches-to-evs/ar-AA1oEAxB?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6f26dd9a9f1b4aab966e8537e48674c8&ei=84
Just quite how you arrive at this sort of business strategy takes a special person indeed….
(No wonder Sytner thought it a smart move to snap up the remaining F-Types recently.)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/jaguar-won-t-sell-cars-for-a-whole-year-as-it-switches-to-evs/ar-AA1oEAxB?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6f26dd9a9f1b4aab966e8537e48674c8&ei=84
Just quite how you arrive at this sort of business strategy takes a special person indeed….
(No wonder Sytner thought it a smart move to snap up the remaining F-Types recently.)
