F Type stolen - owners beware review your security

[Mr.Tea]

If I fit an OBD Port lock (which encapsulates the OBD socket) it probably wouldn’t be in the original location on the lower fascia. I think it’s safer elsewhere i.e. more difficult for a thief to retrieve (after breaking a window etc) and it doesn’t obstruct your right knee when entering/exiting the car.

The ebay link you provided has the OBD Protector Cover priced at £99 but you can get it on Amazon for £55. This is designed to cover the OBD Port in its original location on the lower fascia as does the one on the ‘genosgarage’ link.

I’ll be taking some photos of the F-Type OBD Port and surrounding area, noting down the dimensions. As other members of this forum also seem interested in a Port lock, it would be beneficial if we could post some further suggestions on a design including dimensions etc? This is so that we could provide any agreed details to a manufacturer?

Unless of course, those interested prefer to make one themselves?

I'd be interested in seeing what people come back with design wise as it shouldn't be too difficult for someone to fab these up in decent numbers given the diagrams posted earlier. I'd be interested in picking one up if it's deemed decently secure and compact. Not a big fan of the idea of securing it with a padlock though.

Some of the ones selling for close to £100 are designed with screws that contact and damage the OBD port from videos i've seen. Whoever signed off on that design needs to shake their head.

The guy I mentioned earlier (Andy Beattie) who’s firm manufactures bespoke stainless steel products has replied to me saying this is something that he could easily do (based on the image and drawing that 'mickjaguar' provided earlier in this topic). He’s asked for the dimensions so he can give it a go.

As you've said that you're not a big fan of the idea of securing it with a padlock, I've attached a photo of another design I’ve seen in case some of it could be incorporated into a suitable product?

Does anyone have any more ideas/suggestions?

Wouldn't mind something like that. Either secured by a key or several bolts/screws that would take extra time to defeat. Like you said, slowing them down is the name of the game.

 

[RPSN]

A bit less discreet but the same principle.......in those early days some car owners would disconnect a HT lead etc to prevent the car from starting.

Putting the rotor arm in your pocket was better ....

And that too......after removing the distributor cap

 

[RPSN]

Wouldn't mind something like that. Either secured by a key or several bolts/screws that would take extra time to defeat. Like you said, slowing them down is the name of the game.

Yep, it's about slowing down the theft process.

Those extra seconds or minutes can make all the difference!

 

[Mr.Tea]

Wouldn't mind something like that. Either secured by a key or several bolts/screws that would take extra time to defeat. Like you said, slowing them down is the name of the game.

Yep, it's about slowing down the theft process.

Those extra seconds or minutes can make all the difference!

My main line of thinking is slowing them down getting to the OBD where they can silence the alarm and possibly drive away with the car. Seen too many videos of them driving off in under a minute.

Got my Ghost 2 fitment booked in for later this week too.

 

[scm]

A bit less discreet but the same principle.......in those early days some car owners would disconnect a HT lead etc to prevent the car from starting.

Putting the rotor arm in your pocket was better ....

And that too......after removing the distributor cap

Well, after getting out of the car and opening the bonnet - if you must be pedantic.

 

[Philskill]

I used to take the HT lead with me , eventually wired the LT lead through a unused Fog lamp switch!

 

[RPSN]

Well, after getting out of the car and opening the bonnet - if you must be pedantic.

Or the car boot, depending on the vehicle

 

[RPSN]

My main line of thinking is slowing them down getting to the OBD where they can silence the alarm and possibly drive away with the car. Seen too many videos of them driving off in under a minute.

Got my Ghost 2 fitment booked in for later this week too.

Peace of mind for you there.

Here’s something I’ve read from a Ghost-II installer which you could mention before having it fitted......

"Firstly If you crash the can system on any vehicle the car ain't going to start because it won't recognise the key immobiliser system so that's ruled out, secondly most cars have more than one can system and if you know what you are doing you will choose the one which will not allow the outer mirrors to be part of that system. If the ghost system is fitted to the high standard like its meant to be then it's the best security solution full stop."

 

[Mr.Tea]

My main line of thinking is slowing them down getting to the OBD where they can silence the alarm and possibly drive away with the car. Seen too many videos of them driving off in under a minute.

Got my Ghost 2 fitment booked in for later this week too.

Peace of mind for you there.

Here’s something I’ve read from a Ghost-II installer which you could mention before having it fitted......

"Firstly If you crash the can system on any vehicle the car ain't going to start because it won't recognise the key immobiliser system so that's ruled out, secondly most cars have more than one can system and if you know what you are doing you will choose the one which will not allow the outer mirrors to be part of that system. If the ghost system is fitted to the high standard like its meant to be then it's the best security solution full stop."

I wish they explained more as to why they wouldn't allow the outer mirrors to be part of the system because i'm in the dark on that one.

Edit: Well a quick google fixed that one. That's a strange vulnerability to be sure. I'll be sure to mention that one. Does the F-type have outer mirrors controlled via the canbus system?

The company that's fitting my immobiliser is recommended from Autowatch themselves as I emailed them and asked for any approved companies so i'm sure i'll be in good hands.

 

[RPSN]

My main line of thinking is slowing them down getting to the OBD where they can silence the alarm and possibly drive away with the car. Seen too many videos of them driving off in under a minute.

Got my Ghost 2 fitment booked in for later this week too.

Peace of mind for you there.

Here’s something I’ve read from a Ghost-II installer which you could mention before having it fitted......

"Firstly If you crash the can system on any vehicle the car ain't going to start because it won't recognise the key immobiliser system so that's ruled out, secondly most cars have more than one can system and if you know what you are doing you will choose the one which will not allow the outer mirrors to be part of that system. If the ghost system is fitted to the high standard like its meant to be then it's the best security solution full stop."

I wish they explained more as to why they wouldn't allow the outer mirrors to be part of the system because i'm in the dark on that one.

Edit: Well a quick google fixed that one. That's a strange vulnerability to be sure. I'll be sure to mention that one. Does the F-type have outer mirrors controlled via the canbus system?

The company that's fitting my immobiliser is recommended from Autowatch themselves as I emailed them and asked for any approved companies so i'm sure i'll be in good hands.

I would think that the Power-fold/unfold wing mirrors are controlled via the CANbus system as it seems that the turn signal indicators on the wing mirrors are?

Taken from TOPIx.....

“The exterior lighting is controlled by the Central Junction Box (CJB). The CJB controls the following vehicle functions:
Control and monitoring of exterior lamps including turn signal indicators and hazard warning lamp functionality.
Monitoring and evaluation of check control inputs from other system control modules and output of applicable messages in the Instrument Cluster (IC) message center.
The CJB is connected to the MS (Medium Speed) and HS (High Speed) CAN (Controller Area Network) buses. The CJB contains a microprocessor which performs the control, monitoring and evaluation of functions.”

I’m sure everything will be fine but it’s worth mentioning it to them beforehand.

 

[Tel]

Can you imagine that...no foldy out mirrors...now that's enough to slow any determined thief down when reversing off your drive

 

[RPSN]

Can you imagine that...no foldy out mirrors...now that's enough to slow any determined thief down when reversing off your drive

Lol......unless the car has Reverse Park Camera with Guidance :lol:

 

[Hammers]

That is why I know mine won’t be stolen. Didn’t get the optional vanity mirrors on the sun visor. How would they check their hair before driving off

 

[Jaguandy]

I don't understand the stuff about the mirrors and Ghost. Could you explain please?

 

[RPSN]

I don't understand the stuff about the mirrors and Ghost. Could you explain please?

To give you a better understanding, have a read through this......https://www.gtr.co.uk/threads/auto-watch-ghost-not-so-good.549289/#post-5607881

Member 'Takamo' is the Ghost approved installer and this is one of his final comments which should reassure those who've had the Ghost fitted to the high standard like its meant to be.....

"Ok some further updates, I together with two of Autowatch's guys, tech and programmer carried out some experiments on my Gtr and I'm even more pleased to say that no matter what method of hack we tried it didn't Override it at all, we even crashed the can and it made no difference. The product does exactly what it says on the tin. Hope this helps and puts your minds at rest guys."

 

[Philskill]

I would hazard a guess that if the CAN bus goes into the Mirrors, then the thieves can get access into the car network without unlocking the car. I guess if Ghost was installed on this CAN bus Thieves can get access to Ghost, hence the proper installation must be performed where that is not possible.

 

[RPSN]

I would hazard a guess that if the CAN bus goes into the Mirrors, then the thieves can get access into the car network without unlocking the car. I guess if Ghost was installed on this CAN bus Thieves can get access to Ghost, hence the proper installation must be performed where that is not possible.

In a nutshell that sums it up, although the issue may only apply to some vehicles?

This is why the Ghost approved installer said......."Firstly If you crash the can system on any vehicle the car ain't going to start because it won't recognise the key immobiliser system so that's ruled out, secondly most cars have more than one can system and if you know what you are doing you will choose the one which will not allow the outer mirrors to be part of that system, thirdly the ghost system doesn't have a fuse to pull out."

The subject is explained in more detail in the link but I didn’t want to post it on this forum for obvious reasons.

 

[Philskill]

My Evoque does not have a CAN bus to the Mirrors, and for something this I'd expect a manufacturer to use a local LIN not network CAN generally, but I guess from the Ghost conversation some manufacturers do! :roll:

 

[RPSN]

My Evoque does not have a CAN bus to the Mirrors, and for something this I'd expect a manufacturer to use a local LIN not network CAN generally, but I guess from the Ghost conversation some manufacturers do! :roll:

I’ve assumed the F-Type wing mirrors maybe controlled via the CAN bus system because it seems to apply to the turn signal indicators on the mirrors as stated in TOPIx?......

“The exterior lighting is controlled by the Central Junction Box (CJB). The CJB controls the following vehicle functions:
Control and monitoring of exterior lamps including turn signal indicators and hazard warning lamp functionality.
Monitoring and evaluation of check control inputs from other system control modules and output of applicable messages in the Instrument Cluster (IC) message center.
The CJB is connected to the MS (Medium Speed) and HS (High Speed) CAN (Controller Area Network) buses. The CJB contains a microprocessor which performs the control, monitoring and evaluation of functions.”

Perhaps someone could clarify?

 

[Philskill]

Anyone have the Wiring diagrams?