F Type stolen - owners beware review your security

[RPSN]

Anyone have the Wiring diagrams?

I have the Interactive Electrical Wiring Diagrams (iEWD) file but it's too large to upload here (158 pages 17.0 MB).

 

[PhilB]

I have removed the last post due to detailed and technical information being posted.
Of course countering theft is very important but there is also the consideration that detailed technical info could actually compromise security when posted on an open and public forum.
Please feel free to continue the technical discussion via pm.

Thanks.

 

[RPSN]

I have removed the last post due to detailed and technical information being posted.
Of course countering theft is very important but there is also the consideration that detailed technical info could actually compromise security when posted on an open and public forum.
Please feel free to continue the technical discussion via pm.

Thanks.

No probs.....fully understandable.

Perhaps we’ll continue the technical discussion privately and will come back with an answer to whether or not the wing mirrors are controlled via CAN bus or LIN. This is to inform those who have the Ghost-II Immobiliser fitted.

Is that ok with you?

 

[Philskill]

Thanks to RPSN for the diagrams, as they are dated 2015, Based on this I can say upto this date the CAN does not go into the Mirrors, its a local LIN to a Module in the door and motor power wiring to the Mirror.

That would be one super-human hacker to get into the security system from there!

 

[PhilB]

Perhaps we’ll continue the technical discussion privately and will come back with an answer to whether or not the wing mirrors are controlled via CAN bus or LIN. This is to inform those who have the Ghost-II Immobiliser fitted.

Is that ok with you?

Yes that would be fine.

 

[RPSN]

Perhaps we’ll continue the technical discussion privately and will come back with an answer to whether or not the wing mirrors are controlled via CAN bus or LIN. This is to inform those who have the Ghost-II Immobiliser fitted.

Is that ok with you?

Yes that would be fine.

Cheers.

Philskill’s post has now clarified the issue on vehicles up to 2015, which is the date on the Interactive Electrical Wiring Diagrams I sent him.

If anyone can elaborate further on vehicles after 2015 that would be helpful.

 

[CPBLondon]

Update - had a Ghost 2 fitted which was very painless and the fitter comes to you for the fitting which took just over an hour. Driven for a week or so and the start sequence required becomes second nature. Also put in for a service and activated the valet mode which worked well. This immobiliser takes out the need to do anything with OBD in either locking or detaching/hiding so that gives peace of mind. As a visible deterrent also use a disklok steering wheel cover so hoping that will help me sleep at night. Without going into details I have been contacted by a police force neighbouring London who have recovered parts of the vehicle which had been broken up and parts being packed to go abroad. There were about a dozen other similar vehicles at the venue and persons arrested. Just be aware there is a niche market for these cars and you should take reasonable care to keep your pride and joy as not an experience I would want to repeat.

 

[Mr.Tea]

Update - had a Ghost 2 fitted which was very painless and the fitter comes to you for the fitting which took just over an hour. Driven for a week or so and the start sequence required becomes second nature. Also put in for a service and activated the valet mode which worked well. This immobiliser takes out the need to do anything with OBD in either locking or detaching/hiding so that gives peace of mind. As a visible deterrent also use a disklok steering wheel cover so hoping that will help me sleep at night. Without going into details I have been contacted by a police force neighbouring London who have recovered parts of the vehicle which had been broken up and parts being packed to go abroad. There were about a dozen other similar vehicles at the venue and persons arrested. Just be aware there is a niche market for these cars and you should take reasonable care to keep your pride and joy as not an experience I would want to repeat.

Did they recover the whole car diassembled into pieces or just pieces of the car? Hopefully if they hadn't got around to dismantling the whole car, it could potentially be repaired/reassembled and now you've got 2 F-types :lol:

At least the scumbags got caught. Hopefully they'll see the inside of a prison cell, ideally the bottom of a river.

 

[Rishi_London]

F Type V6 S 2016
Vehicle left locked and alarmed outside my home overnight. Went to vehicle today to find it had been stolen. The glass remains on the floor indicate drivers side window had been smashed. I realise that this is a hazard of modern day living but assumed without the key (I have both in a Farraday pouch) then the vehicle would be difficult to start?
Are these cars security systems easy to defeat? Smashing the glass indicates the entry system was not compromised- but then once inside the car how easy is it to start without the keys?
Assumed this vehicle was low risk for theft but realise all vehicles may be vulnerable- any advice on making the vehicle more secure should I replace it ? Aware that fitting a tracker helps with recovery but this is more of a preventative question to stop/deter it getting stolen in the first place.
I may go sit in a corner and cry now.....

Update - neighbour saw the vehicle at 0930 when he left for work so this was daytime theft !! Rather brazen...

HI CPBLondon,

I had exactly the same thing happen to me last night. My 2016 F-Type S was stolen last night right outside of my apartment in East London at around 11.20pm. I didn't realise it was gone until I went to move it around 12pm today, so didn't report it until then (by which time, I guess it could already be at a port, or in Europe somewhere!)

There was glass on the floor, so somebody had clearly broken the window to gain access. In my apartment block, a couple of neighbours had witnessed and filmed it happening, so I have some footage showing it being driven off (although it was too far away to spot the thieves annoyingly). Apparently it was 2 young kids and they were scouring the car for a couple of minutes, before smashing the window, setting off the alarm and then driving off (without the keys).

I too thought that the keyless entry system was pretty secure, especially since my keys were not within easy relay range (I live on the 5th floor and on the other side of the building). Clearly I was wrong!

I'm hoping it gets picked up on ANPR, but let's see.

My InControl system also shows the car as parked outside my house, but the status is "Driving". I assume that once they broke in, they've managed to disable the system. Would love to be able to track it. Annoyingly, I hadn't subscribed to the full tracking service and JLR said there is literally nothing they can do to track it since I hadn't subscribed before it was stolen!

So gutted. Hoping it turns up. Else I'll need to get prepared for some hard haggling with the loss adjustors at the insurance company!

Any advice from anybody who reads this, much appreciated.

Rishi

 

[stevejag]

ok , dreadful , of course , they must have had knowledge from an expert to start it and drive it so proffessionals . I haven;t had the tracker on mine activated , maybe I should if this makes any difference as it can still be stolen and no doubt proffessionals know where the tracker is located ?

 

[Mr.Tea]

I had exactly the same thing happen to me last night. My 2016 F-Type S was stolen last night right outside of my apartment in East London at around 11.20pm. I didn't realise it was gone until I went to move it around 12pm today, so didn't report it until then (by which time, I guess it could already be at a port, or in Europe somewhere!)

There was glass on the floor, so somebody had clearly broken the window to gain access. In my apartment block, a couple of neighbours had witnessed and filmed it happening, so I have some footage showing it being driven off (although it was too far away to spot the thieves annoyingly). Apparently it was 2 young kids and they were scouring the car for a couple of minutes, before smashing the window, setting off the alarm and then driving off (without the keys).

Nightmare! Did you have any kind of steering lock or immobiliser on the car or did you just rely on the cars standard alarm/locking system?

Kinda wish your neighbours would ring the police rather than just filming it happening. At least then they'd know it was stolen and get in the ANPR system faster.

 

[Anonymous]

Sorry to here this.

Please post the footage and reg plate so people can lookout for it.

 

[CPBLondon]

So a little more about the saga of my theft. The car ended up on an estate in Hackney parked in a residents bay for a couple of days. A council traffic warden took pics of broken drivers window with glass all over the inside and to anyone with an ounce of sense it was clearly stolen but they did not report it just put tickets on it which arrived 10 days later by which time the car had gone. (They leave it a couple of days in case you have a tracker). Unfortunately for me despite reporting it stolen the police ‘forgot’ to show it as stolen on pnc and about 3 days later someone from this forum told me the car was not shown stolen so I called the police. Reply ‘Sorry we forgot’ - you could not make it up. About 3 weeks later Essex recovered the engine and arrested two people in a chop shop. Engine packed to go abroad car stripped and scrapped.
It is clear these are capable thieves who target the car and have to smash their way in then connect up to OBD to defeat the system in seconds and upload their programming to recognise the key in their possession then drive the car away.
I have invested in Ghost 2 and steering lock as visible deterrent so hoping to just make it more difficult for them.
My insurance company made an offer within two days for the value of the car which was 1K more than I bought it for so fingers crossed you have the same luck - although would rather it had not happened at all!

 

[Rishi_London]

I had exactly the same thing happen to me last night. My 2016 F-Type S was stolen last night right outside of my apartment in East London at around 11.20pm. I didn't realise it was gone until I went to move it around 12pm today, so didn't report it until then (by which time, I guess it could already be at a port, or in Europe somewhere!)

There was glass on the floor, so somebody had clearly broken the window to gain access. In my apartment block, a couple of neighbours had witnessed and filmed it happening, so I have some footage showing it being driven off (although it was too far away to spot the thieves annoyingly). Apparently it was 2 young kids and they were scouring the car for a couple of minutes, before smashing the window, setting off the alarm and then driving off (without the keys).

Nightmare! Did you have any kind of steering lock or immobiliser on the car or did you just rely on the cars standard alarm/locking system?

Kinda wish your neighbours would ring the police rather than just filming it happening. At least then they'd know it was stolen and get in the ANPR system faster.

Rather annoyingly, I didn’t have any visible deterrent like a steering lock, which in hindsight may well have been sufficient to put them off stealing it. I relied entirely on the alarm and immobiliser.

I too wish it had been reported immediately, to have a better chance of it being picked up by the ANPR cameras during the evening, but hey ho!

 

[Rishi_London]

Sorry to here this.

Please post the footage and reg plate so people can lookout for it.

Thank you. It’s a Storm Grey V6S Coupe. Registration plate is HN65OXR. (I suspect the plates may already have been removed though). Driver’s side window was smashed.

I cannot seem to upload the video footage to this forum, but attach a few pics of the car. Would be super grateful if folks are able to keep an eye out for it!

 

[Rishi_London]

So a little more about the saga of my theft. The car ended up on an estate in Hackney parked in a residents bay for a couple of days. A council traffic warden took pics of broken drivers window with glass all over the inside and to anyone with an ounce of sense it was clearly stolen but they did not report it just put tickets on it which arrived 10 days later by which time the car had gone. (They leave it a couple of days in case you have a tracker). Unfortunately for me despite reporting it stolen the police ‘forgot’ to show it as stolen on pnc and about 3 days later someone from this forum told me the car was not shown stolen so I called the police. Reply ‘Sorry we forgot’ - you could not make it up. About 3 weeks later Essex recovered the engine and arrested two people in a chop shop. Engine packed to go abroad car stripped and scrapped.
It is clear these are capable thieves who target the car and have to smash their way in then connect up to OBD to defeat the system in seconds and upload their programming to recognise the key in their possession then drive the car away.
I have invested in Ghost 2 and steering lock as visible deterrent so hoping to just make it more difficult for them.
My insurance company made an offer within two days for the value of the car which was 1K more than I bought it for so fingers crossed you have the same luck - although would rather it had not happened at all!

Wow! This is really scary. I live very close to Hackney and suspect it could well be the same gang that took yours. The footage I have showed the car speeding off towards Hackney Wick. I managed to speak to one of my neighbours who saw the whole thing unfold last night and he told me that the kids who stole it had a “small computer device” in their hand (which I guess is the OBD). It was pinched in a matter of seconds after they smashed the window. Sounds very similar to what you also experienced.

Do you happen to know which estate in Hackney yours was left in by any chance? I’m wondering if I can go there myself tomorrow and/or get the police to investigate. Although I confirmed today with them that it is registered on ANPR and marked as stolen, they said it will be a “few days” before a reporting officer is assigned to the case and can take a look into it, so I may need to go a bit DIY on this! I just want to try and find it before it ends up getting chopped up and sold for parts, like yours was.

I would love to talk it through with you to try and get to the bottom of this. I can DM you my mobile number and perhaps we could talk tomorrow?

 

[Rishi_London]

CPBLondon, I have just tried to PM you my mobile number but the message seems to be stuck in my outbox. Please could you let me know if you see this, or could you PM me yours? Thanks a million.

 

[Topfox59]

Looks like I need to dust off my classic car kroklok

 

[Anonymous]

Thank you. It’s a Storm Grey V6S Coupe.

Car 31590. If car was double locked (press lock twice and alarm will cherp which also deadlocks the doors) then even with a smashed window the doors would not open without a key.
Interesting this is the third theft of this type (2 F-Types and 1 XE however the XE one the door opened straight away) all with limited footage in London. The video will be interesting purely how long it takes them to get it moving as car 31590, like the other one, has the software update that does not allow a new key to be coded via OBD port without fitting a whole new control module.

It is logged on Police National Computer - posting below so it appears on Google if anyone searches for the reg plate as it has contact information.

"HN65OXR" "STOLEN"
HN65OXR
HN65 OXR

 

[Anonymous]

CPBLondon, I have just tried to PM you my mobile number but the message seems to be stuck in my outbox.

It will stay in Outbox until the other person opens it.