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sports and saloons to end production in june😓
 
Officially the end of the road. Final worldwide production numbers should be around 92,000 F-Types produced.

Surprised there aren't some formal Jaguar communications about electric replacements rather than magazine renders etc.

Look out for dealers wanting to shift new stock (and also older stock that was never sold and is sat in a field which will be older MY but new regs). Currently on new 75 R's there are £5,500 in deposit contributions available if you take finance on PCP at 2.9%. Nothing stopping you doing this, make one payment and ask for a settlement figure (if you have cash available, a better than 2.9% interest deal or just don't like PCP).
 
Hotlurve said:
report on the news yesterday said going forward jaguar will only produce suv’s
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Really? I thought they'd said they were leaving such things to LR and concentrating on "proper" cars..
 
Isn't there rumoured to be an SUV, a large saloon and a four door GT launching sometime 2025 onwards.

Doesn't necessarily mean there's no sports car ever again. Who knows. 🤞
 
SUV only in terms of what they have left in production.

Autocar
The retirement of Jaguar's two saloons and its flagship sports car means the brand's line-up will become SUV-only, with just the I-Pace, E-Pace and F-Pace remaining on sale through 2024.

Jaguar's new era begins in 2025 with the introduction of a 600bhp electric four-seat GT car in the vein of the Porsche Taycan, which is thought to be followed a year later by a Bentley Bentayga-style luxury SUV and then a large luxury saloon. All will share the firm's new – and bespoke – JEA platform, and are entirely unrelated to its current models.
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I'm not so sure that's the right market to attack. Yes the margins are big but you have to sell a reasonable number and if you're going to take on the taycan that's not easy. The Merc EQS isn't exactly lighting up the sales charts. And nor is the BMW iX.
 
Lost their way years ago with so many resets of market and strategy..

Simply not big enough to compete with German brands in saloons.
No budget to convert current ageing saloons to electric. iPace was good in 2018, but no development leaves it dated and expensive.

Tata is now the largest SUV maker in India and they will have one of Europes largest battery factories open in the UK by 2026. Makes sense to them no doubt to hang on to SUV’s and prepare to reenter markets in 2025 with electric.
I guess the buying public will decide on the future, but looks like to old style business strategy of retreating to higher value greater margin lower volume business. Not sure a high end all electric will do it.
 
Problem is manufacturers are having to sell an increasing percentage of EVs or get fined, as well as prepare for ICE demise in 10 years time.

We can all now see that that China has grabbed the volume 'green industry' and will be increasingly flooding the market with cheap cars, solar panels, wind turbines (all produced using coal fired power stations, though)!

The only strategy is then to move upmarket, which JLR did successfully with Range/Land Rover and left the utility market for the Mitsubishi and Isuzu crew cabs etc. We forget that this relatively small British player has been punching well above it's weight in the luxury SUV market for decades already.

Personally, I don't think current battery technology is suitable. And the whole life cycle of all this green stuff currently being grabbed at is nonsense. It's a bit like burning your clothes to stay warm....(short term feeling warm and fuzzy, ending in long term regrets over haste and doing something obviously daft).

But if Jaguar launches the CX75 as an EV for £100k.........ooh...err....... where do I sign............ that's my smug principles binned 🤣.
 
I just don't see a 100k+ 2-seater electric sports car with 550-600bhp selling in big enough numbers to warrant the investment!

Not when you can have a BYD Seal with 530bhp with every option for under £48k and 3 extra seats. Other than looks of course.

Unless it's something special, 1000bhp or 600+ mile range, 2+2, 5yr warranty or similar. With current F-Types over the 10 year period selling on average 750 units worldwide per month I wouldn't be surprised if a new electric model would a tenth of that!
 
simpleR said:
I just don't see a 100k+ 2-seater electric sports car with 550-600bhp selling in big enough numbers to warrant the investment!

Not when you can have a BYD Seal with 530bhp with every option for under £48k and 3 extra seats. Other than looks of course.

Unless it's something special, 1000bhp or 600+ mile range, 2+2, 5yr warranty or similar. With current F-Types over the 10 year period selling on average 750 units worldwide per month I wouldn't be surprised if a new electric model would a tenth of that!
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Today’s cancellation by Aston Martin of relaunching Lagonda with a high end luxury sports ev to rival the likes of Bentley’s Bentayga, seems to support your view.no money in it.

Butt ugly but the catchy sounding Hongqi E-HS9 to rival the RR Cullinan but £230k less shows how the Chinese are after all markets and I’m sure will take global market share..
 
take a look at the taycan …around 50k for a couple of years old car at 140k upwards and being truthful jags arnt known for their residuals!
 
I still can't figure all this out.

The manufacturer's are scaling back EV plans because the market for them isn't there, but the governments are forcing them to make more or face huge fines.
I'd of expected the manufacturers to start pushing back harder by now. It all seems a bit too quiet from them.
Jaguar especially just seem to have happily walked to the end of the plank without so much as a protest or gun to their back. It's almost like Tata is just expecting the brand to die off. Either that or the plan is for Jaguar to become the budget Range Rover brand. Kind of like Seat/Skoda to VW/Audi.

I also think smaller brands like Jag are as good as dead in an EV only world. The "unique" elements of the smaller brands can't carry over to EV's which are much of much the same thing regardless of manufacturer. They can't compete with the big boys from Germany, America, Korea or Japan on price/volume, let alone the flood of Chinese cars coming to the market now. I just don't see a future for them if they carry on down this route.
 
What I read was:

  • 4-seater GT to be announced in 2024.
  • Some other monstrosities in 2025.

Probably never another 2-seater. Certainly not one that is low to the ground and has a long nose.
We are driving the last of them. Let's enjoy it while it lasts.
 
Reading into the government rules that came into affect from 3rd Jan.

The zero emission vehicle (ZEV) mandate sets out the percentage of new zero emission cars and vans manufacturers will be required to produce each year.

This year, 10% of vans and 22% of cars sold by manufacturers will need to be electric.

The targets for manufacturers will increase each year, requiring 80% of new cars and 70% of new vans sold in Great Britain to be zero emission by 2030, increasing to 100% by 2035.

So that might explain ditching models etc. The fine is apparently £15k per car that doesn't meet the 22% target. Perhaps that is the JLR plan for land rover? Put up price £15k, continue to sell whatever you want and pay the fine!
 
The problem is the battery tech - apart from the dangers of thermal runaway the push for "more range" means ever bigger batteries and ever bigger vehicles. Hardly sustainable.
 
Jaguandy said:
I assume we will still be able to arrange to import Japanese cars when the UK supply dries up?
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Japan’s goal for new cars is the same as UK. All to be EV from 2035. Shouldn’t affect used imports but if manufacturers already stopped making them beforehand there is only a limited supply.
 
Somebody will still be making IC cars for places like Africa, India? I can't see those countries going over to EVs any time soon. Toyota, amongst others, presumably.
 
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