New member says hi!

ChrisGB

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A quick hello from a soon to be new owner. I currently run a 2018 XES - one of the very last supercharged V6s. 5 1/2 years of driving what has got to be one of the most underrated four door cars has made a strong desire to replace with another supercharged Jag.

Budget is 50-60, so I thought I'd get some test drives in. Target was for a late P450 Coupe.

My first drive was in an AWD P450 - 75 model. Interior was very nice - looks lovely from outside too. Stepping from the XES into the F Type was interesting. Although more gruff in character, the V8 is mechanically smooth and more torque rich than the smaller engine. There impression I get is that the F Type is taller geared, so the performance difference from the XES doesn't seem quite as great as I expected. I would expect traction to be near total with the AWD layout. So far so good, but something was missing, or, more to the point, something I expected was not there - steering feel. I didn't expect the chatty helm of an Elise, but I did expect something similar to the XE, where the steering tells you something of the work the front tyres are doing. I wasn't sure if the issue was one of basic characteristic, the fitment of Pirelli tyres (more on that later) or the front end having driveshafts poking through the hubs and some extra mass to move. It wasn't lighting my fire.

Back in the XES and the impression was immediately reinforced. Off to the other side of the country, literally, for a test in a rear wheel drive version. This was much closer to what I was expecting from the helm, it's a subtle but, to me, obvious difference in the way the car turns and feels. The sense of the tyres' workload and response was definitely clearer. Still not as clear as the XES though.

It was good enough to convince me that this was the right car, so deal done, collect next week! I remember the J spec Dunlop OE tyres on the XES - particularly I remember how much better the car felt once a set of Goodyear Asymmetric 5 were fitted. Would we expect a similar transformation going for a set of Goodyear Supersport, maybe Michelin PS4S or Continental Contisport 7?

The car is a P450 75 model on a 24 plate, 500 miles from new with some nice optional extras. Carpathian grey with black wheels and exterior trim. Looks a bit menacing, but in a good way.

Looking forward to it!

Oh, last question for now, do F Type drivers wave to each other out on the road?
 
Welcome aboard! And of course we wave to each other - I even wave at E-Types, and usually get a wave back. :)

Regarding the steering feel of the AWD - bear in mind that Jaguar makes it pretty much always RWD until the car thinks a bit of a pull will help.
 
Good to hear there's decent camaraderie!

I'm aware that the AWD system is RWD until some help is needed from the front. This is why I was quite surprised by the difference in feel / sensation of the helm! Both very young cars, so not wear and tear related.
 
We also have an XE (R-sport petrol) and I agree that the steering always felt nicer than on my V6 rwd F type. The rack is faster on the XE , more direct and with better turn in. It just makes the car feel more nimble

However, when I changed to my SVR I found the steering to be more direct, like the XE, despite having AWD. The R575 might be the same, as this is said to have a lot of the same underpinnings. Not night and day, but subtly different as you say.

Tyres do make a difference to the feel. The Michelin's don't feel quite as direct steering as the original Pirellis to me, but they are better in terms of the ride and grip at low temps.
 
mickjaguar said:
We also have an XE (R-sport petrol) and I agree that the steering always felt nicer than on my V6 rwd F type. The rack is faster on the XE , more direct and with better turn in. It just makes the car feel more nimble

However, when I changed to my SVR I found the steering to be more direct, like the XE, despite having AWD. The R575 might be the same, as this is said to have a lot of the same underpinnings. Not night and day, but subtly different as you say.

Tyres do make a difference to the feel. The Michelin's don't feel quite as direct steering as the original Pirellis to me, but they are better in terms of the ride and grip at low temps.

Interesting! I haven't pushed on during demo drives, but there was definitely a lack of "keyed in" feeling I get from the XES on Goodyears. I'll give it a proper assessment after collection. Of course, geometry settings will be a big factor too.
 
I had a V6S and now P450, the V6S definitely has shorter gearing, making it feel more urgent. P450 is quicker, but not a huge amount in it. It especially doesn't feel it as as you're not snapping through the gears as quickly as you are in the V6. I do miss the shorter gears, you tend to ride the torque more in the V8.
 
scz4 said:
I had a V6S and now P450, the V6S definitely has shorter gearing, making it feel more urgent. P450 is quicker, but not a huge amount in it. It especially doesn't feel it as as you're not snapping through the gears as quickly as you are in the V6. I do miss the shorter gears, you tend to ride the torque more in the V8.

I definitely felt like the P450 made it's speed in a more relaxed manner. I expect it to be more visceral when fully lit. Have to finish running it in first.
 
You can still make some 'healthy progress' even with the running-in process. The key thing is not to keep the car at constant revs for long periods, so vary the revs if you're doing some motorway runs during that period.

And welcome to the club.
 
Welcome👍

Being a very friendly animal I always wave to other Jags…..not that there are many round here.

That said I saw a couple the other day and waved…….👍👍👍
 
Cluck said:
You can still make some 'healthy progress' even with the running-in process. The key thing is not to keep the car at constant revs for long periods, so vary the revs if you're doing some motorway runs during that period.

And welcome to the club.

Having had a look at another thread on here with running in advice, it looks like this motor perhaps needs a little more running in than most. I'm sure I'll manage! Being a dealer demonstrator, I doubt it has seen much sympathy in the 500 miles it has covered so far. The first drive I'll be doing will be Droitwich to Essex, so plenty of motorway, I usually just cycle the gears if I've a long journey on a new engine. Hopefully it will be good long term as this needs to be with me for a few years.

Out of curiosity, is there an oil temp gauge on the digital dash? I have not seen reference to one.
 
ChrisGB said:
Out of curiosity, is there an oil temp gauge on the digital dash? I have not seen reference to one.
There is no oil temperature or oil pressure display. I don't know whether oil temp can be referenced via the ODB port and a suitable app on your phone, but you definitely won't get an oil pressure reading as there is no sensor in the block.
 
Been a good day - collected the car after a week wait (my delay, not the dealer) and put some miles on taking the long way home. Mostly cruising, but I've had a chance to hustle it a little this evening too.

Initial impressions are that it's very comfortable, the toys are good (especially the pixel headlights), it's very good looking and makes effortless progress. Still running in, so no proper hooning yet, but I'm really liking the balance, which seems easy to manipulate and work with.

Two flies in the ointment so far. No SIM in the car means no access to my Here maps subscription. What has really annoyed me though, is the self removing window trim. I know it's a known issue, so why the hell is this defect still making it out of the factory door?
 
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