New 911 G (for greenwashing) 😏

[WShudds]

Gotta give it to Porshe, they've shameless gone into greenwashing mode with the new 911 launch this week bringing a "hybrid" powertrain that's been designed to exploit loopholes and tax benefits.

I watched the event live on YouTube and I can't wait to see the gimmicky electric turbo being called "a path to sustainable mobility"

https://www.youtube.com/live/5bfGgpSIg0Y?si=o0SfdzDM4Is7qMFq

This week Toyota, Subaru and Mazda did something similar and used a lot of corporate BS to say they'd continue to develop internal combustion engines as well as other forms of fuel.

The car industry is slowly but surely trying to find an alternative to EV utopia now that it's clear it won't happen. Going full electric means losing 70% of your sales at best. So, should JLR reconsider making Jaguar a full electric brand and instead build on this BS hybrid system Porshe and others have developed? Perhaps a low emission F-type with an electric supercharger? What do you think?

 

[Anonymous]

It almost feels like Jaguar announced a change from ICE to all electric future first but instead of a gradual mild hybrid, clever development strategy etc it went all out and unfortunately the timing of it was awful as it was followed by a cost of living crisis, then the gov announced it would extend the ban on new petrol sales from 2030 to 2035 and whilst Jaguar have managed to produce nothing, not even a picture or press release, Tesla and lots of upcoming brands have swamped a market that is probably pretty much maxed out for choice now. Jaguar have seen this as well with sales of the iPace falling despite a facelift etc. Let they stubbornly continue with electric only.

A lot of electric cars on the road are leases or via company car schemes like Octopus but a £100k+ Jaguar isn't going to sell many unless it has an amazing feature like 1000bhp, 600 mile range, 5yr warranty etc. Which I don't think it will.

The cars are pretty much all similar so my thinking is I might as well buy a BYD Seal with 530bhp, 5 seats and with every option ticked sub £48k. If I am spending £100k+ on an SUV then I'll have a Range Rover. If I want a sports car, of which one the defining factors to me is noise, well I've already got one thanks.

So yes, I think they should of followed the path of development, whether that be hybrid/battery only for 30mph zones/cities or electric superchargers or synthetic fuels etc.

 

[CSGMART]

As an EV owner / driver even I recognise that the future of vehicle propulsion probably isn't battery powered *. Having said that, there is much going for EV's, which are improving every year with increased battery range and quicker charging times. Cost and depreciation remain the two biggest barriers to adoption (mine is bought through my business with all the tax breaks on offer and it's on a PCP where the car will be handed back at the end of the 3 year term meaning I don't have to worry about the depreciation). Having somewhere at home or work to charge it makes a massive difference to the cost of running an EV. I pay 8p per KWH overnight giving me an effective cost of about 3p per mile in fuel costs, which is way cheaper than a petrol or diesel car. Personally I come across many people who bemoan EVs without having driven or experienced one.


* Whether it's an EV or another type of zero emission powered vehicle, governments around the world are not going to cave in and let manufacturers continue with fossil fuel car beyond 2030/35.

 

[Jaguandy]

As the governments around the world are at different stages of the same general policies, there must be a clever and powerful group(s) influencing the world's polititians. I wish we had a vote for a choice of those people.

 

[pirateprentice]

there must be a clever and powerful group(s) influencing the world's politicians.

Yes there are. They don't try hard to conceal their activities. The WEF is quite boastful of its influence.

I wish we had a vote for a choice of those people.

They are also sufficiently clever and powerful to prevent that from happening.
Ooh, look at me, coming over all conspiratorial. If only it wasn't true.

 

[scm]

Electric propulsion is a great idea, nice and efficient and maximum torque from 0 rpm. The problem is providing the electrons in a safe and convenient manner, which is where current battery tech (and possibly chemistry and physics) fails.