MY21 Front grille badge swap to 2023 black version.

[barrycraig]

Hi All,

I'm curious if anyone has swapped the standard red badge to the new all black badge that comes as standard on the 2023 model? Can anyone confirm if the entire front bumper has to come off to facilitate such a swap?

Cheers!

 

[mickjaguar]

Very early cars had a black badge with a different design, which changed to red. You can see the difference in the link below.

Badges are stuck on and can be removed with everything in situ. The chrome rim of the badge is clipped onto the coloured back, so you need to pry the entire thing or the rim might come away on its own. There is also a locator pin in the back of the badge that goes into the grille plastic to orientate it correctly.

https://www.adamesh.co.uk/badges--decals-434-c.asp

 

[stefan9107]

Bit of a random hijack here... but does anyone know if there is any significance behind the colouring of the R logo? The red and green I mean?

 

[mickjaguar]

Best theory is it relates to the XJR-9 race car that won at LeMans back in the late 80's, which had red and green Castrol livery. As the red and green R badge appeared on Jaguar's road cars to denote performance models at about the same time.

 

[stefan9107]

Best theory is it relates to the XJR-9 race car that won at LeMans back in the late 80's, which had red and green Castrol livery. As the red and green R badge appeared on Jaguar's road cars to denote performance models at about the same time.

Would make sense. Appreciate it.

 

[barrycraig]

Very early cars had a black badge with a different design, which changed to red. You can see the difference in the link below.

Badges are stuck on and can be removed with everything in situ. The chrome rim of the badge is clipped onto the coloured back, so you need to pry the entire thing or the rim might come away on its own. There is also a locator pin in the back of the badge that goes into the grille plastic to orientate it correctly.

https://www.adamesh.co.uk/badges--decals-434-c.asp

I dont think that's the case anymore, at least not on my car. The grille growler is no longer stuck down with adhesive but has three clips holding it in place. Try as I might I do not seem to be able to free them from the front or gain access from inside the bonnet. I suspect the front bumper will have to come off. See picture of replacement badge below with clips and all in one piece.

 

[barrycraig]

Ok, I've managed to do this without taking off the front bumper. Updating this thread to share what I've learned as there is so little information about this online. The part number for the 100mm matte black badge is T2R84501, this was extremely difficult to find as the dealers could only find the silver variation on their systems (J9C5647) after much back and forth with my local dealer we finally found a part variant and ordered it with the hopes it would be the black version and it was. At the time of writing when you google the part number there are only 2 google results, so I cant imagine this has been posted anywhere else before. I think there is a high gloss version of the badge out there somewhere, possibly originally for the I-Pace but I couldn't find the part number for that.

Removal wasn't easy or painless. It's clear that the front bumper has to come off for this to be done right. I took off the radiator cover which let me see the back of the badge but it was still way out of reach. In the end I was able to squeeze my fingers through the grille hole directly under badge. From this angle it is just possible to touch two of the three plastic tabs holding in the badge. I wasn't able to push down the pins within the tabs from this angle to release the badge but I was able to bend them back and forth enough to wiggle the tabs forwards and out of their holders. The top tab was much, much more difficult to free but with more wiggling and bending I was finally able to get to to slip out. If you weren't worried about keeping the original badge in one piece you could easily just snap off the top tab once you have the bottom two out and save yourself a lot of time.

Overall I'm really happy with the look. All the other badges on the car are black so the front being red and silver always stood out to me. When the R 75 edition had matte black as standard I knew I had to have it.

 

[Lunar]

He just needs the black sunglasses now

 

[Jimc]

Hi Barry, is the badge you fitted a 100mm black/silver one? If so, can I ask where you sourced it from? Drawing a blank in my own search for one. TIA / Jim

 

[DavidP]

Hi Barry,
thank you for the great write up. I have just "upgraded" the front growler to an all-black 100mm one.
The front bumper or even the radiator cover need not be removed.
The way i did it was to carefully remove the outer bezel [where jaguar is stamped].
This gives access to the main part of the badge, which has an inward chamfer to it.
The tabs are located in the 000, 120 & 240 deg position [clock face i=12, midway between 4&5 and 7&8].
There is enough room to push the tab down following the chamfer - i used metal shirt collar stiffeners, and once released it just pops out.

Save your fingers next time......

 

[barrycraig]

Hi Barry, is the badge you fitted a 100mm black/silver one? If so, can I ask where you sourced it from? Drawing a blank in my own search for one. TIA / Jim

Hi Jim,

Apologies for the late response. The badgeI fitted was a 100mm matte black with the part number "T2R84501" I had to contact my local dealer to order it as I couldnt find one anywhere else.

Edit: having done a new search it seems that Britcar now have the badge stocked so you can do it without going through the dealer if you prefer: https://britcar.com/product.php/1074050//badge_rad_grille

 

[barrycraig]

Hi Barry,
thank you for the great write up. I have just "upgraded" the front growler to an all-black 100mm one.
The front bumper or even the radiator cover need not be removed.
The way i did it was to carefully remove the outer bezel [where jaguar is stamped].
This gives access to the main part of the badge, which has an inward chamfer to it.
The tabs are located in the 000, 120 & 240 deg position [clock face i=12, midway between 4&5 and 7&8].
There is enough room to push the tab down following the chamfer - i used metal shirt collar stiffeners, and once released it just pops out.

Save your fingers next time......

Hi David, this is interesting to read as the badge I removed and the one I replaced it with are all made from a single piece of plastic, the "Jaguar" outer bezel is not separate like it is on the pre-facelift models. Did you do the swap on a MY20 or newer?

 

[DavidP]

Hi Barry,

My wagon is a MY21 facelift... I checked with the supplier [Hermann in Germany] that the part was for the new version, which was confirmed.

The one i have is splitable into 3, chrome bezel, red insert with black surround fused on and the growler head held by a single screw.

Its identical to the all-black that i got, using your part number. The all-black also splits into 3 thats how i worked out how to remove without all the aggro that you went through [also my fingers didnt fit that well!!].

I have added the pictures showing the process...

Cheers
David

EDIT - the pictures have loaded in reverse order, so start at the bottom and work upwards!!!

 

[barrycraig]

Hi Barry,

My wagon is a MY21 facelift... I checked with the supplier [Hermann in Germany] that the part was for the new version, which was confirmed.

The one i have is splitable into 3, chrome bezel, red insert with black surround fused on and the growler head held by a single screw.

Its identical to the all-black that i got, using your part number. The all-black also splits into 3 thats how i worked out how to remove without all the aggro that you went through [also my fingers didnt fit that well!!].

I have added the pictures showing the process...

Cheers
David

EDIT - the pictures have loaded in reverse order, so start at the bottom and work upwards!!!

Wow, I cant believe I missed that! Thanks so much for the photographs.

 

[Robbyrner]

Just made the change on my car, using a combination of both the “jam your fingers in until they hurt” and “methodical, use though and logic” techniques, combined with a very sharp knife (the perks of being a chef! ) and have successfully swapped the red growler with a new black “75” version. Looks really good and I’m sure my fingers will recover soon.

I found jamming my fingers in through the grille and squishing them down into the prongs to compress the tabs a good technique, and then using the aforementioned knife to pop out the top tab quite achievable.

This thread was most useful, so thanks very much!

 

[Billymcmred]

Just made the change on my car, using a combination of both the “jam your fingers in until they hurt” and “methodical, use though and logic” techniques, combined with a very sharp knife (the perks of being a chef! ) and have successfully swapped the red growler with a new black “75” version. Looks really good and I’m sure my fingers will recover soon.

I found jamming my fingers in through the grille and squishing them down into the prongs to compress the tabs a good technique, and then using the aforementioned knife to pop out the top tab quite achievable.

This thread was most useful, so thanks very much!

Hey
What colour was your original badge ?
I’m on look out for red badge wondered if your original was red and 3 piece would you be willing to sell it ?

 

[Robbyrner]

Just made the change on my car, using a combination of both the “jam your fingers in until they hurt” and “methodical, use though and logic” techniques, combined with a very sharp knife (the perks of being a chef! ) and have successfully swapped the red growler with a new black “75” version. Looks really good and I’m sure my fingers will recover soon.

I found jamming my fingers in through the grille and squishing them down into the prongs to compress the tabs a good technique, and then using the aforementioned knife to pop out the top tab quite achievable.

This thread was most useful, so thanks very much!

Hey
What colour was your original badge ?
I’m on look out for red badge wondered if your original was red and 3 piece would you be willing to sell it ?

Hello,
Apologies for the slow response,

Mine was the original red one, but I did make a bit of a meal of getting it off, mostly to the plastic clips, but I think there’s a chance it would be useable. You’re welcome to it if you want to try (and I can find it when I get home in a few weeks)…

DM me your address and I’ll put it in the post for you, if it works it works and you can owe me a beer, and if it’s beyond use, it was no harm in trying!!

 

[asherstoppard]

Looking forward to testing my patience with this in a couple of weeks when my new badge arrives! It looks incredible once done so probably worth losing a few years off my life and annoying the neighbours with expletives!

 

[DavidP]

asherstoppard - you'll be fine, it really isn't difficult at all..

 

[asherstoppard]

Finally got round to doing mine... appreciate everyone's supportive words but I did not find this easy at all! My fat fingers and ineptitude resulted in me drilling out the brackets off the original badge :lol:

Was touch and go but looks good now! Glad it's done. Opted for the 2023 black R badge too. Luckily that's just a sticker.