Is there going to be a new F Type?

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Blakums

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Dear all,
I have the privilege of driving an SVR. I love everything about it and I’ll be keeping it a while. It’s my second F Type.
It does raise the question though as to what do you buy after an SVR?! (Aside from getting another SVR).
I know there are some very keen and astute F Type owners on here and just wondered if someone knows of any concrete plans that Jaguar may have regarding a proper facelift of the F Type or indeed replacing It?
I’ve read stories in car magazines and seen the ‘artists impression’ but they’ve been about selling more magazines.
Any thoughts?
 
There will be a replacement FType - facelift has already happened, so we are talking about a new car (can’t comment on design changes etc), expected 22MY
 
My guess is as good as any. But since the F-Type is a niche product for a niche brand, they can not invest heavily. So looking at the greater picture, my gut feeling is that they will borrow from the new XJ. The underpinnings need little change and they can play with front/rear overhang. This chassis gives them the space to go for a 2+2 if they use the ZF-setup for the electric/gearbox combo as in use with the RRS and the BMW X5, and others. :ugeek:

The enginium engine will definetely come as a straight six. Although it would be worth looking into skipping the 'six' and go for the 8 cylinder with switching on/off some cylinders. It gives some 'economy of scale' , although I'm not assuming with modern production techniques it would make a huge difference in cost.
Decisive is the eventual price level JLR has in mind. The gap with AM is huge and if they move away from the Cayman as a reference, towards the Panamera [ 2+2 / 4 almost ] , they'd have the financial 'slack' to do so. :idea:

But at the same time they need the 'bulk' [ relatively spoken ], from an entry level car. So it would not surprize me if a short wheelbase entry level car with 6 cylinders with/without hybrid would appear instead of 2 different 6 cylinders.

So : entry 6-cyl, topmodel 8-in-line-hybrid 2+2... 8-)
 
I heard a rumour there will be another facelift next year with cosmetic changes mainly - front a bit like a Maserati gran tourismo. No idea if there’s any truth in it mind
 
Whatever Jaguar decides, I plan on keeping mine "forever" provided I can and it doesn't become too troublesome.
the reason for this is that Jaguar brought out the F Type as the successor to the E Type, a car which was and still is considered beautiful.

If we consider the F Type, its the same design / shell from 2012, so it's really a 7 year old design and within 3 years it will be 10 years old,

Very few cars today, except for the like's of Ferrari have 10 year lives.

My point is that in the past 8 years, I personally have never tired of the look of the F Type, it's as beautiful today as it was 8 years ago and more so (especially the coupe). This will make the current (Gen 1 F type as it will be known) a future classic.

I just wish beauty didn't come at such a price, maintenance cost and weighing 1.6 tons

In terms of replacement, Autoexpress UK has a picture of the Jaguar's J Type which will be a "Mclaren Rival". Very different animal and mid engined if it true to it's word can be expected to cost between 2 -3x that of the F Type
 
Blakums said:
I have the privilege of driving an SVR. I love everything about it and I’ll be keeping it a while. It’s my second F Type.
It does raise the question though as to what do you buy after an SVR?!
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Why buy anything after the SVR, just keep it. As it gets older it may cost more in maintenance but that'd still be peanuts compared to the depreciation hit of changing it.

Of course, when the petrol stations switch to electric only, we may have a problem. :?
 
scm said:
Why buy anything after the SVR, just keep it. As it gets older it may cost more in maintenance but that'd still be peanuts compared to the depreciation hit of changing it.Of course, when the petrol stations switch to electric only, we may have a problem. :?
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I am of the same opinion, actually living that life, with my Discovery 3 [2006]. Car looks and drives like new, just a diesel of subtance and a weight of 2420kg , resulting in € 3000 road tax a year. And it has no DPF, raising the roadtax 'fine' to € 3500 next year. Market value of the car could be around € 9000,- if you have a buyer who wants a well documented and dealer maintained car... A newer on [ before the last price hike due to CO2 religion/hysteria ] would cost me € 85.000 [2017] . The D5 in comparable trim, V6 diesel would be € 145.000,- ... :shock: :shock: :shock:

So since a new car [ hybrid petrol ] still costs € 1400,- in 'roadfine' , the difference is € 2100 per year, eliminating € 15.000 to € 25.000 in depriciation!

A no-brainer.. :mrgreen:

[ image of D3 removed. ].
 
scm said:
Blakums said:
I have the privilege of driving an SVR. I love everything about it and I’ll be keeping it a while. It’s my second F Type.
It does raise the question though as to what do you buy after an SVR?!
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Why buy anything after the SVR, just keep it. As it gets older it may cost more in maintenance but that'd still be peanuts compared to the depreciation hit of changing it.

Of course, when the petrol stations switch to electric only, we may have a problem. :?
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For a change?
I have never kept a car longer than 2 years, that’s not because the car/cars have deteriorated but tastes change, maybe practicality changes, for me the most exciting days have been collecting a new car, if you keep a car ‘forever’ you don’t experience this.

I personally love trying new cars, some haven’t always been ‘better’ than my previous one, in many ways my M4 was better than my FType for example, but changing every few years means you can try lots and if you buy carefully it doesn’t have to cost you a lot (if anything at all) - depreciation wise that is
 
@dbv6s
I keep the D3 "forever" , still I own/owned 55+ cars sofar... ..keeping one doesn't mean you cannot change the others.. :mrgreen:
 
I think you can be sure that the next new one (as opposed to a facelift) will have the Premium Transverse Architecture floorpan that will underpin many of the next generation of JLR vehicles beginning with the new Evoque currently being released.
It can accomodate hybrid systems from mild to plug-in and I think you may well find the next F-type may well have a minimum of the mild 48 hybrid system.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a full hybrid either.
 
@PhilB.
That floorpan will also be used under the new XJ ? A big difference in wheelbase between a XJ and an Evoque; 3032 / 2681mm..
 
Future add from Jaguar. The new all electric ftype is here. As standard it comes with a 1000watt sub woofer to replicate the v8 exhaust. While gently falling asleep.
 
Dan_Veluwe said:
@PhilB.
That floorpan will also be used under the new XJ ? A big difference in wheelbase between a XJ and an Evoque; 3032 / 2681mm..
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It's a generic floorpan that can be stretched or shortened to suit the model.
There is also a larger generic platform (Modular Longitudinal Architecture -MLA) coming for larger vehicles in the range.
It's cost effective for manufacturers to have generic platforms for production purposes.
JLR have had to revise things to accomodate hybrids across the various ranges.
If they do decide to produce a new XJ (which is questionable due to poor sales) then it will probably use the larger of the two platforms.
 
I think it’s interesting to look at the BMW Z4 evolution
Started with a light simple powerful soft top. Did coupe, bigger engines, M sport, facelift, etc
2nd gen they went heavier and bigger with folding metal roof. Became GT and was not as successful. Not a failure, but no passion..
Next gen is a shared car with Toyota. BMW the roadster, Toyota the Supra coupe. Back to more raw car, but cost savings of common platform and mechanicals
It will sell well same as Fiat and Mazda MX5

I bet Jaguar learn from this sort of evolution and hopefully not go for the 2+2 GT route . F type is already a big car and will lose fans
 
@PhilB.
Might be the case. I also wandered why JLR don't squeeze the XF/XJ into a single model.
The interior space [exept for LWB] is not that much different.

They always say the 'roaring 20-ties' of the 20th century was the 'golden era' for car enthousiasts, but I think present day surpasses that !
 
PhilB said:
Dan_Veluwe said:
@PhilB.
That floorpan will also be used under the new XJ ? A big difference in wheelbase between a XJ and an Evoque; 3032 / 2681mm..
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It's a generic floorpan that can be stretched or shortened to suit the model.
There is also a larger generic platform (Modular Longitudinal Architecture -MLA) coming for larger vehicles in the range.
It's cost effective for manufacturers to have generic platforms for production purposes.
JLR have had to revise things to accomodate hybrids across the various ranges.
If they do decide to produce a new XJ (which is questionable due to poor sales) then it will probably use the larger of the two platforms.
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New XJ is also on the way Phil, 2 years off but should see media news within 18 months [emoji106]
 
dbv6s said:
New XJ is also on the way Phil, 2 years off but should see media news within 18 months [emoji106]
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Good, I'm glad about that.
Be a shame to see it disappear.
:D
 
PhilB said:
dbv6s said:
New XJ is also on the way Phil, 2 years off but should see media news within 18 months [emoji106]
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Good, I'm glad about that.
Be a shame to see it disappear.
:D
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I don't really agree on that. Technically it was a great car, but in reality to bulky, looked wrong and targetting a very specific market that is fast declining
Last of a breed of dying 3 box dinosaurs selling double digits in the whole of Europe in most months and never breaking 2k a year over the last 5 years
 
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