In the market for an F-Type..... advice needed

Looking at V8 AWD coupes (as most advice received advises the AWD V8 over the RWD V8), I'm surprised how much more the AWDs are?!

For a nicely specced AWD e.g here:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-de...-Type&postcode=SE167EN&price-to=40000&fromsra,

it's nudging 40k, but for the RWDs on sale you can get similar mileage and spec for almost 10k less, e.g. here:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-de...-Type&postcode=SE167EN&price-to=40000&fromsra

That near 10k gap can't be down to a couple of years newer on the reg and the vents being better positioned on the AWD so the water leak into the engine problem doesn't happen surely? Anyone know why there's such a delta? If I ring a seller or dealer listing a RWD and verify that those plates have been put in under the vents that stop the leakage problem, and then when I buy it spend £500 on a Apple Carplay retrofit for the tech inside, is it basically then the same car (obvious driving dynamics of RWD / AWD aside)

Thanks
 
I guess the two year age difference justifies some of the price difference but 10k does seem like a lot for two years and AWD.

I think it's quite rare that people put in any additional cover under the RWD bonnet vents so it's unlikely that the seller or dealer will even know what you're talking about. :) Anyways this RWD one already has the better "shrouded" vents which let in much less water than the open ones.

The newer AWD car seems to have the newer non-sticky interior plastics for what it's worth.

The newer one does have a slightly more modern infotainment system but they're both too old to have the OEM CarPlay so you'd have to retrofit it regardless of car.

Apart from the RWD/AWD they are pretty much the same.
 
gc301 said:
Looking at V8 AWD coupes (as most advice received advises the AWD V8 over the RWD V8), I'm surprised how much more the AWDs are?!

For a nicely specced AWD e.g here:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-de...-Type&postcode=SE167EN&price-to=40000&fromsra,

it's nudging 40k, but for the RWDs on sale you can get similar mileage and spec for almost 10k less, e.g. here:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-de...-Type&postcode=SE167EN&price-to=40000&fromsra

That near 10k gap can't be down to a couple of years newer on the reg and the vents being better positioned on the AWD so the water leak into the engine problem doesn't happen surely? Anyone know why there's such a delta? If I ring a seller or dealer listing a RWD and verify that those plates have been put in under the vents that stop the leakage problem, and then when I buy it spend £500 on a Apple Carplay retrofit for the tech inside, is it basically then the same car (obvious driving dynamics of RWD / AWD aside)

Thanks
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From my experience when I was buying, AWD on the older models does tend to command a slight premium but nothing that crazy.
I think the dealer there is just trying to sell at the "old" price in the hope that someone will pay it. Prices are kind of all over the place as the market has only really just dropped the last 5-6 months. Some are looking to offload even at a loss whilst others still want their profit.

For example... you picked out this RWD one at £31,500. I think I've even seen that one posted on here. The price is competitive which suggests the owner has priced it to move.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312255049711?sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=R&body-type=Coupe&drivetrain=Rear%20Wheel%20Drive&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=40000&model=F-Type&page=1&postcode=BN131JZ&fromsra

But then this near identical one that is also RWD with just a couple thousand less miles wants £38,000. My guess is they are into it for £34-35,000 and are still trying to make a profit.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401225774464?sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=R&body-type=Coupe&drivetrain=Rear%20Wheel%20Drive&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=40000&model=F-Type&page=2&postcode=BN131JZ&fromsra

Pretty much the same car with a £6500 price difference. Somehow I doubt the dealer asking £38k sells theirs first...


AWD ones do come up at better prices though. I was keeping an eye on things as I was testing the waters on possibly selling mine. I had it on autotrader at £35k which I think is reasonable, but after being dicked around for a while I opted not to sell as the only reason I was thinking about it is down to not using it enough. I would just be patient and see what comes up.
 
munchie said:
Before I bought my p450 I was shopping Db11s and 2020 vantages, they were OK. But when I drove the p450 I fell in love with the drive and looks
I have am m3 v8 as well but the F is in a different league.
I have AWD and glad I have as it can get twitchy in the wet, and often the dry 😀

The M2 is a good car, the F a great car unless you need the rear seats that is.
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So the Ftype was better than the 2020 Vantage ? Thats good to hear. I wish i had kept my V8 m3 as a second car
 
M2Nel said:
munchie said:
Before I bought my p450 I was shopping Db11s and 2020 vantages, they were OK. But when I drove the p450 I fell in love with the drive and looks
I have am m3 v8 as well but the F is in a different league.
I have AWD and glad I have as it can get twitchy in the wet, and often the dry 😀

The M2 is a good car, the F a great car unless you need the rear seats that is.
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So the Ftype was better than the 2020 Vantage ? Thats good to hear. I wish i had kept my V8 m3 as a second car
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And so much better than the DB11 , however the dealership at Nottingham, where I had the test drive were amazing. Dealership was very very swanky, they just handed me the keys to the Vantage and said come back when you want.

The m3 is great apart from the extortionate road tax which makes the Jags a bargain.
 
What do you guys think of this? :

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401075329810?utm_source=product-service&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=at_braze_cars_ios_email_action_manual_alerts_email-a-friend

Wasn't coming up in the AWD filtered search, just saw it on a wider search and wondered if it was actually an AWD or not because I noticed the wider positioning of the bonnet vents - rang the seller just now and he confirmed it's an AWD, just the listing doesn't say that.

I've found most other AWDs (in spec I want) to be high £30ks which is stretching me - wonder if this has slipped under the radar and stayed unsold because the seller didn't mention the AWD? I don't love the colour combo of yellow calipers to red interior, wondering how much of that can be rectified after-market though Description says it was a Jag press car, immediate red flags went off in my head saying it's been thrashed and abused but seems to be more a car they displayed rather than drove, and the mileage claim by each service doesn't shout a horrible life.

What do you guys think? Thanks
 
gc301 said:
What do you guys think of this? :

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401075329810?utm_source=product-service&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=at_braze_cars_ios_email_action_manual_alerts_email-a-friend

Wasn't coming up in the AWD filtered search, just saw it on a wider search and wondered if it was actually an AWD or not because I noticed the wider positioning of the bonnet vents - rang the seller just now and he confirmed it's an AWD, just the listing doesn't say that.

I've found most other AWDs (in spec I want) to be high £30ks which is stretching me - wonder if this has slipped under the radar and stayed unsold because the seller didn't mention the AWD? I don't love the colour combo of yellow calipers to red interior, wondering how much of that can be rectified after-market though Description says it was a Jag press car, immediate red flags went off in my head saying it's been thrashed and abused but seems to be more a car they displayed rather than drove, and the mileage claim by each service doesn't shout a horrible life.

What do you guys think? Thanks
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Can't say I'm a fan of the red interior but that's a matter of personal preference.
Carbon ceramics, provided they are in good condition should last you a long time (100k+ miles) and not be an issue. HOWEVER, if there are any issues with them the replacement bill would be somewhere in the £10-15k range for discs alone from memory. I'm not sure how easy it would be if you decided to change them for standard discs later but someone else might have experience with that.

A bit of an odd one with the first two years, but with 276 miles the story fits with it being a promotional car of some sort.

If you can get the VIN number you can take a look at the service history here: https://osh.jaguar.com/ Just to make sure it's had the right services at the right intervals etc.
The MOT history is a bit odd to me as the first one was in March 2018, but that could have something to do with the registration date vs build date vs when it was actually sold date...
It also had an MOT supposedly in March 2022 AND July 2022 despite being a pass on both. Again, might be because the new owner wanted a clean bill of health or got the dealer to update it for alignment with a service etc... not really sure.

If you do check it out and like it, I'd fully recommend a car vertical check just to make sure it hasn't been in a smash or got outstanding finance etc. That check should also confirm the dealers story about who owned it when etc.
 
gc301 said:
What do you guys think? Thanks
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This car is an odd one!
Car 18531 but it was PDI in 2014 which doesn't match the VIN order and is not AWD on Jaguar system but shows as 2016 model and is AWD on various other records.

It did 276 miles in the first two years before being recovered by COPART in October 2016 and serviced so I can only presume it was a very early AWD R demo but display car.

The second service is then recorded as 2024 and 30785 miles so a huge gap of 7+ years.
 
Thanks both for the insights & running various checks etc.... slightly mysterious history on the car isn't filling me with confidence.......

Think I'll hold still for a bit and just see if any other AWD V8's come up around £35k or less, just also conscious I don't want to miss the market uptick when it goes back up (but no one has a crystal ball)
 
Very odd car with the dealer advertising it as a 2016, when it's on a '64 plate and clearly on the DVLA as a 31/12/14 registered car. MOT in early 2018 looks to confirm the age.
 
When i was looking last April i wanted a AWD Coupe R , 2015 to 2016 were 35 -44k i actully found one i liked for 35k which was a bonus . Being at the cheaper end of the market for a 2015 AWD im hoping it will be easyer to sell on whe the time comes
 
gc301 said:
What do you guys think of this? :

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401075329810?utm_source=product-service&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=at_braze_cars_ios_email_action_manual_alerts_email-a-friend

Wasn't coming up in the AWD filtered search, just saw it on a wider search and wondered if it was actually an AWD or not because I noticed the wider positioning of the bonnet vents - rang the seller just now and he confirmed it's an AWD, just the listing doesn't say that.

I've found most other AWDs (in spec I want) to be high £30ks which is stretching me - wonder if this has slipped under the radar and stayed unsold because the seller didn't mention the AWD? I don't love the colour combo of yellow calipers to red interior, wondering how much of that can be rectified after-market though Description says it was a Jag press car, immediate red flags went off in my head saying it's been thrashed and abused but seems to be more a car they displayed rather than drove, and the mileage claim by each service doesn't shout a horrible life.

What do you guys think? Thanks
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It does have ceramic brakes. You can see them in the pictures. I don’t believe other discs have the holes in them? The sales blurb explains why it’s a 14 car and the delay in servicing and registration. Was built and pulled around on a trailer for 2 years before it was serviced at 2yrs, 276 miles and then registered 1 month later.

It has all the bells and whistles and looks a fantastic car. If I hadn’t paid over the odds for mine in July last year, I’d have their arm off.
 
I think this is a good buy for the year. Test drive is a must as well as check for any code history but that could easily be cleared.

Even if the car had limited miles in the first few years that didn't stop it being started and throttle blipped at every opportunity, perhaps a longer test drive 10-15 miles might stress it enough. Seriously though it's a great spec. Doesn't have the flat bottom steering wheel, the fully round one feels too big, but that's just me.

It does have the AWD badge on the rear too.
 
cj10jeeper said:
Very odd car with the dealer advertising it as a 2016, when it's on a '64 plate and clearly on the DVLA as a 31/12/14 registered car. MOT in early 2018 looks to confirm the age.
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The Vin will give the definitive answer - digit 10 will be E for MY14, F for MY15 and G for MY16.
 
Thanks again for everyone's discussion & help. To echo someone else's comment above on the link I posted earlier to that white £32k one - I can't force myself to fall in love with that colour combo of the yellow calipers and the two-tone interior.

I'll be honest.... One of the AWD V8 listings I posted few days ago when I was pointing out the gap in AWD values vs RWD, it's still really standing out from the rest for me as my dream spec, and due to how fair life is, it's also top end of my budget and will be a squeeze. I'm willing to squeeze to secure it, just thought I'd drop the link in here for anyone else to call out any glaring red flags that might be evading me. Relatively low mileage, pan roof, nice wheels, matching callipers & interior (realise the red might not be to everyone's taste), interior pics look pristine compared to some of the interiors on show on other listings with higher mileage where you can clearly see wear, tear and grubbiness. I've priced in the insurance quote & the annual tax into my numbers as well and it's just about doable, but would love to get it down a couple of grand still.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308241137838?fromSavedAds=true&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=relevance&postcode=SE16%207EN

Also keen to hear if anyone thinks it's priced too highly and the dealer might budge - it's been listed since 5th October last year and been reduced 7% in that time from £42,990 when it originally went up to what it is now.

Many thanks
 
That is sat on a private plate of TAZ181 and has been untaxed since start of August and possibly that plate has been moved onto an SVR now.

This makes looking things up slightly tricky so recommend a car vertical check to find any hidden history and original plates you can then look up as well. The original plate would be an "O" plate.

It is car 39014 with 4 previous owners. The first was Paragon Fleet Solutions and based on mileage either a manager car or demonstrator. It then went to an owner in Cheshire for a year, then 3rd owner in Hampshire and the history ends with a 3rd service in June 2019. It then appear 12,000 miles and 4.5 years later for a 4th service at current dealership.

It should be coming to 8th service now so servicing paperwork would be key for me and none of the recorded servicing is itemised so checking rear diff oil, spark plugs and all the usual service items again would be key for me.
 
As simpleR said above, make sure you get a full accounting for its service history. One or two slightly late services aren't a big deal, but if there are big gaps in the history that could be a negative from a reliability point of view and also affect resale. That being said, it could also be a bargaining chip...

As far as price... it's tough to say if they'll come down or not. It's definitely on the higher side, especially given the recent changes in the market - I bet if you were trying to part-ex it to them you'd be lucky to get £30-31k out it.
That said, if everything checks out from a service history point of view, no water in the boot or excessive corrosion on the cross bracing, and it isn't going to need new tyres or brake pads/discs anytime soon, it's not a ludicrous price. I paid a little under that a year ago for mine which was similar age, mileage and spec level. I did however pay extra because of the Jag main dealer/warranty factor.

Personally I'd expect to get it for closer to £38k.

As a side note, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 770W speaker system they are quoting in the spec normally have the word "surround" written on the speakers in the door?
 
Thanks guys, I'll do a car vertical check on it tomorrow during a free spot at work. This one is also an option at similar mileage but a few thousand less:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309202176882?fromSavedAds=true&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=relevance&postcode=SE16%207EN
 
Car 17325
Looks like an unsold car in 2015 for a year.
No service history between 2016 and 2020 or from 2022 onwards.
4 previous owners. Off the road since September. Highly recommend a Car Vertical check due to multiple MOT's in 2020 not related to a sale of the vehicle.
 
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