I have a Honda CRV that is an automatic that has 9 gears and my wife loves it. For me I prefer having my manual F type and I think it is a bonus being a rare car. If the resale price is affected by it being a manual then so be it as I expect to keep it for a long period. As said before my XJS was a rare manual and some people converted theirs from an automatic. The decision then was not about resale price it was about the American market wanting automatics. It is their culture to want automatics, the largest engine and having a convertible. This was true with the XJS so maybe it is the same with the F type.
how many manual f types registered in uk
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Captain Midlife
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Fascinating thread.
I too wanted a manual but just couldn't find one with any decent spec/history back in 2019. I nearly got there at a Main Stealer but it was sold before my test drive appointment. So much for unpopular! I wasn't getting any younger so decided to widen the search by some 97% and look at autos. While I am not disappointed at all with what I have now, I still hanker after a manual and it's probably the only car I'd swap my current one for. The ZF8 is as good as an auto gets but I do miss that 5/6th to 3rd instant shove as opposed to sequencing every gear in between. Having said that I haven't driven a manual yet and the road tests do say it's not a perfect match. Another itch I need to scratch
I too wanted a manual but just couldn't find one with any decent spec/history back in 2019. I nearly got there at a Main Stealer but it was sold before my test drive appointment. So much for unpopular! I wasn't getting any younger so decided to widen the search by some 97% and look at autos. While I am not disappointed at all with what I have now, I still hanker after a manual and it's probably the only car I'd swap my current one for. The ZF8 is as good as an auto gets but I do miss that 5/6th to 3rd instant shove as opposed to sequencing every gear in between. Having said that I haven't driven a manual yet and the road tests do say it's not a perfect match. Another itch I need to scratch
Captain Midlife said:Fascinating thread.
I too wanted a manual but just couldn't find one with any decent spec/history back in 2019. I nearly got there at a Main Stealer but it was sold before my test drive appointment. So much for unpopular! I wasn't getting any younger so decided to widen the search by some 97% and look at autos. While I am not disappointed at all with what I have now, I still hanker after a manual and it's probably the only car I'd swap my current one for. The ZF8 is as good as an auto gets but I do miss that 5/6th to 3rd instant shove as opposed to sequencing every gear in between. Having said that I haven't driven a manual yet and the road tests do say it's not a perfect match. Another itch I need to scratch
For me the manual is a perfect match as there is nothing that irritates me. Selecting gears is very positive without any play from side to side. I have just sold an MX5 and they are known for being very tight during the first 10 minutes of warming up and I found that irritating. I reported it to Mazda and they just said it was a quirk of this car. Was not happy with that reply as I was hoping that maybe a change to a different type of gearbox oil might help.
AJB2
You mentioned previously in this thread that yours was an older manual (one of the first?) and had been classed as a one off build hence lower VED. I have finally received my new vehicle supplement and just taxed the vehicle and it has cost the same as yours - £270 for the entire year. It’s a V6 MY16 which must have been Q1 2015 given the manual numbers on registrations that quarter given on the above thread (the preceding Q4 being 0 manuals). Does this also make mine a prototype like yours?! And why have they done this for the first few manual V6 cars that year?
You mentioned previously in this thread that yours was an older manual (one of the first?) and had been classed as a one off build hence lower VED. I have finally received my new vehicle supplement and just taxed the vehicle and it has cost the same as yours - £270 for the entire year. It’s a V6 MY16 which must have been Q1 2015 given the manual numbers on registrations that quarter given on the above thread (the preceding Q4 being 0 manuals). Does this also make mine a prototype like yours?! And why have they done this for the first few manual V6 cars that year?
I have documented that since buying my car last December I have had a catalogue of issues with it. When I decided to buy the car I read on the forums that these cars suffered from rust on the brace struts, which started a lengthy debate with JLR which finally ended up with a compromise to cover the repair cost. There have been other issues, but now I have read that the manuals suffer flywheel/ clutch issues and as my car has a mileage of 45k I am starting to think is this another JLR debate in the future. Maybe I need to just use the car and not read every negative that is written about a car until it becomes an issue to you.
scm
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Tewy said:
Early models suffered such issues but there's a 4th generation clutch that appears to resolve all the issues. Many guys on the US forum have been through the generations (they love manuals!) and the latest one hasn't given them any trouble. What year is yours? It could be you've already got the latest version.
scm said:
Mine has a “H” in the vin so it would be an early 2017 model. I am the 2nd owner so I am hoping that the previous person was easy on the clutch. I have seen clutches for sale quite cheap but the part number show them as early ones T2R25681. I believe the latest is T2R21165 and the flywheel is T2R20968. In December I will have to make the decision whether to take on another years warranty, as the dilemma is will they cover the clutch without going through the same situation I went through with the brace struts.
stickshift steve
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A clutch is normally classed as a wear and tear item that can be abused / badly driven so they are normally not covered , but in this case the clutches have been proven to be a weak point . Even the press cars clutches were slipping on the launch vehicles if you read up on them.
scm
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Tewy said:
According to those who know on the US forum the gen 4 clutch is T2R27466.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f-type-x152-72/clutch-satisfaction-158861/page13/#post2344999
DMG have the clutch T2R27466 for £291.83. Do you know the latest flywheel and associate part numbers. I cannot get my head around that the manual cars were not manufactured until 2015 and now we are at version 4, so obviously there has been many early failures in a short period of time to get to this 4th change. Any idea of what version could be in my car.
stickshift steve
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if the clutch was replaced there should be a way of finding out the part number of the clutch that was fitted .There must have been a "job card" raised by whoever fitted it ,which gets converted to an invoice with parts and labour costings on it.
I have contacted Jaguar direct and they confirmed that my car has the original clutch and since then it has been modified. Knowing this I have contacted my local garage asking them to upgrade my car with the latest clutch. My view is if they know a part has an inherent issue they should replace it on my extended warranty. I am the 2nd owner and my local garage gave me a full list of parts fitted to the car from new and the clutch was not one of them. I am waiting for their reply to my request.
cj10jeeper
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Tewy said:
Good luck with that. I cannot even imagine any warranty to cover potential future issues. For sure if it develops a detectable fault then a fair claim
Equally if there was a UK recall or even a TSB advising replacement then you’d be in a strong position.
cj10jeeper said:
Hi, I understand what you are saying but by contacting JLC I have established that my car has a pre modified part that is subject to SSM73047 bulletin. No this is not a recall but in my view the part is not fit for purpose. JLC have told me to go through the local Jaguar garage to start the process, which I have, so I am waiting for a reply. I do have an intermittent issue where I do not get much travel on the clutch but trying to recreate will be difficult. I will take this as far as I can but at least in the end I have a paper trail of my concerns.
My question is when is a pre modified component not fit for purpose? My car was built in 2016 and from info I have received modified clutch/flywheels have been fitted since 2017. JLR has confirmed my car had the pre modified clutch fitted and as the car has always been serviced by Jaguar no clutch has ever been fitted to my car. My car has done 47k miles and from examples seen on the forums clutch/flywheel issues have been happening from at least 3k miles. I do not feel that the way I drive does not put pressure on the clutch but knowing that I have a pre modified clutch it makes me feel hesitant to push the limits from a standing start. I am on a warranty but and normally they would not replace wear & tear items but my argument is these manual cars were introduced in 2015 and quickly there are many examples of early failure. My view is the original parts are not fit for purpose and should be replaced when they are asked to do so. I have had a negative reply from my local dealer so at this moment unless their stance changes I am going ti inundate JLR and my local garage with early failure examples. If f do not take this stance on quality it will be always the customer that will pay..