First time F Type R Buyer, GPF confusion and car checks

[F type Will]

Hi all

First time posting on the forum but have spent what feels like hours reading through everything! Thanks for all your inputs, I'm hoping for some help please...

I'm looking for an F Type R, pre 2020 facelift. I want it for the noise to be honest, so the most raw sounding the better. So this is where the GPF confusion comes in. I understand it from reading on here its from a certain model number around MY 18. I cant quite get my head around what MY18 means in terms of registration number and what I should be looking for?

I was looking at something around 2017, 2018 or 2019, so after the front end facelift and LED headlights, but I cant seem to tell which ones will have the GPF or not.

For example, on autotrader is WJ19 CHZ, but this says 269g/km, which I thought means its not GPF, yet surely that's too late?
similarly, RO18 YAH says the same, is an 18 plate a safe bet or is that one risky?

And then also, is it a safer bet to just go for a pre 2017 facelift car, are these actually more reliable due to not having the DLR potential issue? I ideally wanted Jag approved used hence why was hoping a 2018 car would eventually come up with them but if its got the GPF then I wont hang around waiting for that miracle to happen!

Thanks so much in advance. I'm coming from a GR Yaris, which is great performance but I really want to experience a v8 purely for the noise and smiles it will put on my face!

 

[scm]

I've got no complaints with my MY18 (built March 2017). DRLs okay so far!

And welcome to the forum officially!

 

[mickjaguar]

Gpf was on the later 2018 cars onwards, the 68 plates the most likely. VIN range around 59207 (V8) and up probably.

 

[WhoKnows]

... I cant quite get my head around what MY18 means in terms of registration number and what I should be looking for? ...

For the general question of model year, it seems to be cars built in roughly Feb (but not always) will have the following years MY. So roughly Feb 20 will be MY 21. So it doesn't exactly tie in to a plate but the plate can guide you.

 

[mickjaguar]

Usually changeover is around March) April (might coincide with the Easter shutdown of the factory(.

The tenth character of the VIN will give you the model year J=2018 K =2019 and. L =.2020.

 

[Cooker]

Hi,

Sound and the emotion it entails was a key factor for me too. I bought a MY18 pre GPF – it sounds superb and was well worth the effort to find. Here’s my R&D, hopefully of use…

In brief: I found I needed to search for cars up to MY18 without software update H239 V2.

The detail:

MY18 cars should be without GPF (EU6), however there might be exceptions for non UK markets. Model year can be identified by the 10th letter in the VIN, i.e.:

MY17 – VIN digit 10 = H
MY18 – VIN digit 10 = J
MY19 – VIN digit 10 = K

V8 cars from around chassis number 59207 will likely have GPF (gasoline particle filter) to meet EU6d, which seems to tie in with MY19 (approx. 68 plate onwards – note: model years and reg plates are different), and are recorded as 249g/km co2 and should be euro 6d on v5c. There may be exceptions depending on the order the cars came off the line.

Car number is the last five digits of the VIN

Also look for a car that has NOT had the following software update – should be on the service history and most specialists are aware of it:
1. Campaign H239 V2, 'Pass by noise in latched special programmes modes'. This update keeps exhaust valves closed longer at lower revs when active exhaust is enabled (up to 3k revs), i.e., quieter under normal driving.

Software update V1 isn’t really worth worrying about as it only makes a difference at startup, which sounds fine anyway ;-), and you can still start in dynamic if you really want to. But here’s the info:
2. Campaign H239 V1, 'Pass by noise in latched special programmes modes' (also know as Campaign H136, 'Pass by noise in latched special programmes modes'). This update forgets dynamic mode at ignition cycle (rather than after 6 hours)

3. Campaign H239 V3, 'Pass by noise in latched special programmes modes'. I stopped at this point! – If you don’t have update V2 it doesn’t matter…

If you know the VIN number of the car you’re looking at you can check its official Jaguar service history here, which can sometimes list the software updates…

https://osh.jaguar.com

You'll love the sound - always makes me smile!

Good luck, and hope this helps!

 

[scm]

Gpf was on the later 2018 cars onwards, the 68 plates the most likely. VIN range around 59207 (V8) and up probably.

67 plate are likely to be GPF candidates, 68 plates, assuming MY19 (might be late registration!), should definitely have them.

 

[F type Will]

This is really great thanks for your help everyone, getting hold of the vin numbers is the next challenge!
one of them, for an 18 plate, the 10th letter is a J, so MY18, yet the chassis number seems quite low at 51934, so thats certainly safe of GPF yeah according to the above?

 

[Anonymous]

WJ19 CHZ
[Removed]-K-57916
MY19
Has all three H239 updates applied.
Pre-GPF (possible early car)

RO18 YAH
[Removed]-J-51934
MY18
Has all three H239 updates applied.
Pre-GPF


Note the MY can vary by reg. Typically the MY will be one higher than the reg. IE mine is on a 17 plate and an MY18.

However I have seen older cars that was unsold on new plates. IE I have seen a 19 plate but is was an MY18. And the other way round where cars are early test cars.

If you need VIN numbers, service history or anything else then post a reg. It is time consuming so only post cars you are interested in.

 

[scm]

This is really great thanks for your help everyone, getting hold of the vin numbers is the next challenge!
one of them, for an 18 plate, the 10th letter is a J, so MY18, yet the chassis number seems quite low at 51934, so thats certainly safe of GPF yeah according to the above?

MIne is 49xxx and is a March 2017 build, so that would seem to be quite a way into the production run.

 

[F type Will]

WJ19 CHZ
[Removed]-K-57916
MY19
Has all three H239 updates applied.
Pre-GPF (possible early car)

RO18 YAH
[Removed]-J-51934
MY18
Has all three H239 updates applied.
Pre-GPF


Note the MY can vary by reg. Typically the MY will be one higher than the reg. IE mine is on a 17 plate and an MY18.

However I have seen older cars that was unsold on new plates. IE I have seen a 19 plate but is was an MY18. And the other way round where cars are early test cars.

If you need VIN numbers, service history or anything else then post a reg. It is time consuming so only post cars you are interested in.

Thank you so much for this SimpleR, I really appreciate the time and effort!
Can I ask one more though please, no rush, it's a 2015 car so GPF is ok, but the H239 I'm not sure, it's currently on the plate KL3875 but the original is LF15 AFX, it's mostly been serviced at independents so it might have bypassed it!
Again, I really do appreciate this, willing to send you some beers or something!

 

[Anonymous]

Car G-25993
MY16

Full service history, 4 previous owners, no H239 updates applied, pre-GPF.

This car has had its 9th service completed but seems to have missed the supercharger and accessory belts which is expensive and rear diff oil so factor in approx £1300 to get this done (unless it has paperwork to support that it has been done).

 

[asherstoppard]

My understanding was that any car with physical buttons either side of the touchscreen (8’ screen/MY18) were free of the GPF filter and any with the newer 10’ screen (MY19) had it?

 

[scm]

My understanding was that any car with physical buttons either side of the touchscreen (8’ screen/MY18) were free of the GPF filter and any with the newer 10’ screen (MY19) had it?

Late MY18s had the 10" screen.

 

[F type Will]

This is great thank you everyone (Especially SimpleR for doing the checks)

So I'm struggling to decide and want some advice. I was thinking the newer cars, (IE, MY18) would be more reliable and hence a better choice, but been reading about the DRL issues and this is putting me off. Are the pre facelift versions (so like 2015, 2016) any more or less reliable, if service history etc good?

And also, in terms of warranty, reading through the DRL issues which get covered under jag warranty, I cant find any MY 18/19 cars that have jaguar warranty, can this be added on even if the car is bought through an independent dealer or is it just something you can add to approved used cars when their given warranty expires?

 

[Anonymous]

Every buyer has different thoughts but I always look for a car with full service history ensuring it has has the correct services done, IE rear diff oil and if older cars supercharger belt, etc. And a good MOT history and unmodified. But everyone is different. Others may look for super low miles or single owner cars etc.

The mechanical elements remained pretty unchanged apart from the usual updated parts along the way so in theory later cars would be more reliable plus they are obviously newer!

The nearside DRL issue is a bit of pain and expensive but is covered by Jaguar extended warranty (just make sure the dealer puts it through as a sudden electrical failure so it is covered). I've had mine done, the warranty only covers cost price so on warranty it is £2600 ish but if paying your self it is £3500+.

With Jaguar extended warranty you can keep that running for up to 10 years or 100k miles. I am now in year 7 of ownership (4th year of extended warranty) and warranty has covered two lower control arms, a new exhaust and a light. Around £7,400 of work if I was paying myself. Currently paying around £1250 a year with breakdown.

Jaguar used approved should come with 1yr warranty which you can extend, you can ask for 2yrs warranty as part of the deal. There is one owner on here who purchased outside of Jaguar warranty and then got it added by paying for the 170 point check. I did not think this was possible or allowed but they managed it through a dealer but I still think that was an exception and probably wouldn't be allowed on older cars approaching 10yr old or with missing history.

Just my thoughts

 

[WhoKnows]

I believe the purchase of jaguar warranty is official (or at least partly so) even if car isn't bought from jaguar

I phoned Jaguar Approved Warranty Administration a couple of months ago on 0344 573 8065 to ask a couple of questions, they said that if I bought outside of jaguar then I could pay a dealer to check the car and if OK then I could buy the extended warranty.

Therefore I assume not an exception

 

[F type Will]

So if I buy a Jag that isn't approved used as is from a non jaguar dealer, I can get the same warranty as if I bought from Jag themselves? So SimpleR did you buy yours approved used? And extended it from there, or is the extended warranty just something you can add on? I can never seem to get a clear answer (especially from dealers who are selling them but not approved used ones)

 

[Anonymous]

I've had mine since new hence just purchased the Jaguar warranty by invitation at 3yrs old.

 

[F type Will]

Ahhh ok, can I please ask one more favour SimpleR (and then message me your address and I'll send you some beer or wine or something), a car has just come up that I really like the look of as it's my ideal spec but the dealer won't give me the full service history printout of what's been done (or the VIN)
It's LG16 WDX, would you please have a look at it's history etc, I am eternally grateful!