F Type Troubles

Mightyhunter

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Dear Customer Relations,

I have owned a 400 sport since March this year but unfortunately there are a few issues that have come to light and I am looking to see if you can help me?

I purchased the car from HR Owen (who are being very helpful) and it came with a years warranty from them. The car has a full main dealer JLR service history and has been maintained accordingly. The car currently has c21,000 miles on the clock and is immaculate in all other aspects.

The car was booked into Pentland LR in Perth to have the faults diagnosed. They have contacted the warranty company who have declined to accept ‘responsibility’ for most of the work required.

I have been told that the active exhaust valves have failed meaning the back box section needs to be replaced - £2k+! I can see, having read on a few different forums, that this isn’t an entirely uncommon problem. I’m really frustrated that a car with so few miles on the clock and so we’ll maintained can have a problem such as this. I would expect an exhaust system to last far longer than this before any parts needed replaced. The tyres have done more miles than the exhaust! The warranty company say this is not covered.

There is also a problem with the headlight on the drivers side. Within the sealed unit there is a build up of plastic or glass ‘rubbings’ - this is clearly a manufacturing or build issue as it has occurred within the casing - see attached pic. I’ve been told this will be c£1.6k plus fitting to fix. Again, the warranty will not cover this.

The 3rd problem is that there has been a failure of the brake pedal box assembly. The warranty company have agreed to contribute towards this but will not cover it entirely. I am being asked to contribute around £400 for this work to be done.

And finally, I also have vertical scratches in the drivers door window. From research, this would appear to be caused by the rubber gutter trapping grit which in turn scratches the window as it is open or closed. There was a TSB for this which shows this is a known design issue - JLR JTB00502v2.

I love the car and intend on keeping it for a long time. I am really disappointed though that within the first few months of ownership that the car has suffered from some significant faults even though it had been maintained meticulously. I would not expect a car of this value, used or new, to suffer such profound problems this early in its life, particularly when it’s been well looked after. I fully expected that ownership of a car such as this comes with additional expense over the everyday run around but a c£5k bill arising 4 months into ownership is not palatable and certainly not when the faults are design/build quality orientated.

I really hope you can help!

Yours Sincerely,

David
 

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Sorry to hear of your issues. I too had the exhaust issue & paid for a replacement. My car was under JLR Used Approved but terms said exhaust not covered. Others have successfully had theirs replaced.

Isn’t your gripe with either who you purchased car from or the warranty company?
 
I would apprceiate any reference to the window scratch TSB.
After receiving my new 2021 P380 a similar scratch on the driver' side window was noticed within the first 50 miles or so.
It could well have been there from the beginning - just not noticed.
The JLR dealer threatened that unless they found an "internal"reason for the scratching, it would not be warranty item.
Hard/impossible to prove it was there from the get-go.
Have sort-of polished it out so that I do not notice it unless I look very carefully in the right light, but still curious about the TSB.
 
I too have scratch marks on my windows. Bought the car second hand 8 weeks ago. How do you polish the scratches out? What materials are needed?

Not worth trying to get a warranty claim as other forum posts indicate it’s a waste of time and effort. ;)
 
FrankyBT said:
Not worth trying to get a warranty claim as other forum posts indicate it’s a waste of time and effort. ;)

That depends on your dealer, some are far better than others. But it's pot luck.
 
FrankyBT said:
I too have scratch marks on my windows. Bought the car second hand 8 weeks ago. How do you polish the scratches out? What materials are needed?

Not worth trying to get a warranty claim as other forum posts indicate it’s a waste of time and effort. ;)

My windows and seals all were replaced under warranty, so definitely worth pursuing.
 
DaddyDarren said:
Sorry to hear of your issues. I too had the exhaust issue & paid for a replacement. My car was under JLR Used Approved but terms said exhaust not covered. Others have successfully had theirs replaced.

Isn’t your gripe with either who you purchased car from or the warranty company?

I am getting nowhere with the warranty company, they are being pretty staunch on their decision. Their exclusions clearly state that exhaust and electrical items are not covered. The dealership are looking into what they can do but as the exhaust and headlamp issues are clearly a manufacturing issue then they believe JLR should be involved in the repair discussions.
 
In the UK do you not have an equivalent to our ACCC? Manufacturers warranty in Australia is not the only protection we have, under law a product has a reasonable life and a car failing after a few years is hardly reasonable. It often means that a part can be fixed/replaced free outside of warranty under statutory warranty (law) but also can mean that a deal is done such that full cost won’t be passed to the owner but a portion based on reasonable expectation of when the part would likely fail. As our law is based on UK law I would be shocked if you didn’t have such protections. Imagine a fridge completely packing up after 2 years and needing to be thrown out, surely you have that protection by law.
 
The faults of the exhaust and pedal box will be covered under consumer credit law. Forget about warranties and just inform the dealer they are prexisting and as less than 6 months since purchase they are legally bound to fix them.
 
cj10jeeper said:
The faults of the exhaust and pedal box will be covered under consumer credit law. Forget about warranties and just inform the dealer they are prexisting and as less than 6 months since purchase they are legally bound to fix them.

It's amazing how many pre-existing faults turn out to be warranty claims after all! ;)
 
Open a case directly with Jaguar Customer Relations by emailing them (not via this forum).

My car is 4.5 years old with extended warranty and I've just had a warranty claim refused.

I have lower near side suspension control arm bush worn which requires a whole new control arm. The offside is deteriorating as well but is OK at present. And then a 4-wheel alignment. The best part of £2k.

Because suspension is not covered by warranty and the MOT cover only covers failures not advisory items I opened a case which was ruled 100% in my favour and I'm booked in next week to have it all sorted out for free.

You need to be clear in your email to Jaguar what you think a valid outcome is and once you get a case reference inform your dealer so they can assist you as well.

Good luck.
 
@Mightyhunter: As far as I know, Jaguar UK occasionally monitor this forum and member Pete@Jaguar is the contact. Perhaps they'll pick up on your topic?

If you haven't already done so, the information provided in your original post should be sent to the Jaguar Customer Experience Centre who can be contacted by email at [email protected] or by telephone on 0345 303 2303 (Mon-Fri 09:00 – 15:30).

If all else fails, the car dealership where you purchased your vehicle (H.R.OWEN) subscribes to 'The Motor Ombudsman Limited' which offers a CTSI-certified Alternative Dispute Resolution. Their details are available here https://www.hrowen.co.uk/legal/#crp and here https://www.themotorombudsman.org/consumers/make-a-complaint

Have a look at this......’How do I know whether The Motor Ombudsman can deal with my dispute?’ https://www.themotorombudsman.org/knowledge-base/how-do-i-know-whether-the-motor-ombudsman-can-deal-with-my-dispute

Hope you get the issues resolved to your satisfaction.
 
Forgot to mention that my F-Type is MY16 and out of warranty. I got a 6 month warranty when I bought the car in June but I very much doubt it covers scratched windows. Does anyone think I have half a chance with Jaguar direct?
 
FrankyBT said:
Forgot to mention that my F-Type is MY16 and out of warranty. I got a 6 month warranty when I bought the car in June but I very much doubt it covers scratched windows. Does anyone think I have half a chance with Jaguar direct?

Warranty is just a manufacturers choice, as I said earlier there are definitely laws in Australia that protect against such faults outside warranty, and no doubt in the UK too. It is why as well when there are enough known issues they recall in warranty or not, they have to. I would do as others suggest and contact Jaguar Customer Service and don’t even talk about warranty. If you don’t get help there then look up consumer rights.
 
FrankyBT said:
I too have scratch marks on my windows. Bought the car second hand 8 weeks ago. How do you polish the scratches out? What materials are needed?

Not worth trying to get a warranty claim as other forum posts indicate it’s a waste of time and effort. ;)


FrankyBT said:
Forgot to mention that my F-Type is MY16 and out of warranty. I got a 6 month warranty when I bought the car in June but I very much doubt it covers scratched windows. Does anyone think I have half a chance with Jaguar direct?


If you can feel the window scratches by running your fingernail over them, you’ve got no chance of polishing them out. Otherwise try something such as T-Cut Original which may help a little.

I had the driver’s side door window glass and seal replaced last year (I paid 40% towards this) and I’ve attached the Technical Bulletin that was cited by my Jag main dealer at the time. Some very light scratches have reappeared even though I remove any debris on a regular basis.......doesn’t say much for the new front door window lower finisher seal!

The passenger side door window glass is the original and has a few light scratches which aren’t very noticeable......probably because it doesn’t get used as much.

If your 6 month warranty (which expires in approx December 2021) doesn’t cover the window scratches it could be worth contacting Jaguar via the info I provided earlier.

Nothing ventured nothing gained as they say!
 

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Very interesting if rather worrying for someone about to start f type ownership , although no doubt other manufacturers and warranty ins, co's are similar . I am contemplating buying an extended warranty on top of the years warranty offered by Jaguar and am wondering wether they will cover anything without a struggle , I have the list of what is supposed to be covered and the long list of whats not .
 
It is possible to polish scratches out using jewellers rouge and a drill, but deep marks won't be optically correct and you can end up with a lens effect.

Alot seems to depend on how your dealer deals with problems. I've not much direct experience as my V6 had zero problems un nearly 6 years, other than the window scratches which were sorted before it was 3 years old.

My neighbour has a 2009 XF 3.0 S which now has 160k on the clock and still running great. He had the ECU replaced, well out of warranty under goodwill by Jaguar, as well as contribution to fixes for the active suspension. It appears that the warranty may not be the only resolution available.
 
Mightyhunter said:
There is also a problem with the headlight on the drivers side. Within the sealed unit there is a build up of plastic or glass ‘rubbings’ - this is clearly a manufacturing or build issue as it has occurred within the casing - see attached pic. I’ve been told this will be c£1.6k plus fitting to fix. Again, the warranty will not cover this.
I have the same problem on passenger side (LH model here in Italy) so I assume it's some sort of product problem.
I'm sorry for you, I can fully understand your concerns here...when I found the white signs on the internal headlamp I thought it was some sort of "repaint" issues. BUt know, thanks to your post, I can trust it's "just" a production issue :(
 
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