Changing Tires - Need some advice between Michelin vs Pirelli

[santoshlv426]

My car is now out of its motorplan and from the last service I was told the rear tires have 2000km remaining. The car has 26,500km in total
The fronts have about 10000km remaining.

I obtained prices of the Michelin Pilot 4 and Pirelli P Zero and the Pirellis are about $200 cheaper (about R3000).

It's quite a bit (to me) and while I was intent on getting the Michelin, I think I'll go for the Pirellis.

Question

1. Is there any difference in ride quality between these ?
2. I was told the Michelin yeilds longer life, but if these wear out so quick, I doubt it matters. Its not like my Honda or Lexus which gives 70000km on a set ! Jaguar told me it's due to the torque, even if you don't spin the wheels.
3. Has anyone had problems with the tire shop damaging the TPMS sensors as JLR told me it sometimes happens. Not many dealers will be familiar with this type of car, right ?

Thanks

 

[400P]

Hi,

I have just bought the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S based on recommendations. They're being fitted next week, currently on P-Zeros, which are pretty useless IMO. I'll let you know how I get on, however for anyone browsing this topic out of interest, I used Black Circles and they have 15% off today - code is LOYALTY15 - hope that is of use to some people.

Cheers

 

[Sir Jagalot]

This has been covered ad nauseum and I can confirm that, going from Pirelli to Michelin is like night and day. It's worth $200 just to get the confidence when you're driving. It could mean the difference between going into the hedge and staying on the road. Just do it.
Never had a problem with TPMS sensors with dealers.

 

[Millwheel]

Re the TPMS fitted valves, the only vulnerable part when fitting a new tyre is the stem. The actual TPMS transmitter just clips into the stem inside the wheel. When I had my tyres done I bought new stems - this is the correct part: https://www.ukpartsdirect.com/jaguar-f-type-tyre-valve-repair-stem-12-20-for-vdo-tg1c-clamp-in.html. I asked the tyre fitter to discard the old stems. He reckoned they could go two or three tyre replacements but I am not taking the chance of one failing on the road, they are cheap enough. Note that care needs to be taken when inflating the tyre not to put any stress on the stems. One other thing though is that the remaining battery life in your TPMS sensors is at its design limit (5 years). You will have to replace the sensor when it fails as I don't think it can be serviced. Again, don't buy Jaguar OEM, very pricey and replacement parts available from specialists much cheaper. https://www.ukpartsdirect.com/tpms-products/tpms-tyre-pressure-replacement-sensors/jaguar-tpms-tyre-pressure-sensors/jaguar-f-type-12-21-tpms-tyre-pressure-sensors-set-of-4-pre-coded-ready-to-fit.html This outfit do claim the new sensors are precoded and the car will relearn the sensor without further intervention. I can't comment on the accuracy of this.

 

[santoshlv426]

Yep I know this topic's been covered. Thanks for the replies.
I didn't know about the TPMS issues and anyway, now the tires are CLOSE to changing. If the Michelins prove that good, I'll see if I can negotiate a discount midway.

 

[scm]

Since the tyres are the only things keeping you from disaster, they shouldn't be skimped on. Having said that, I don't find the Pirellis as bad as some on here have claimed, so maybe I just don't drive the F-Type like it should be driven! ... :lol:

 

[santoshlv426]

I think I"m facing the same - scm.
I really don't put this car thru it's paces - how can I with the traffic and foot one, 1 sec later and I'm at the speed limit !

 

[scm]

I think I"m facing the same - scm.
I really don't put this car thru it's paces - how can I with the traffic and foot one, 1 sec later and I'm at the speed limit !

Yeah, it's a brave man/woman who floors the throttle for more than a couple of seconds! :lol:

 

[cj10jeeper]

I think I"m facing the same - scm.
I really don't put this car thru it's paces - how can I with the traffic and foot one, 1 sec later and I'm at the speed limit !

Yeah, it's a brave man/woman who floors the throttle for more than a couple of seconds! :lol:

Especially on worn Pirelli's

 

[santoshlv426]

Hey, I enjoy life on the edge.
What can I say. You haven't lived until you've done 180 mph on Pirelli.

Man, I don't think were gonna have to many fans from pirelli if they read this !

 

[scm]

What can I say. You haven't lived until you've done 180 mph on Pirelli.

I did 165 mph on a Pirelli-shod F-Type at Millbrook when I attended an "F-Type Beyond Limits" event. Felt fine.

 

[Quiet man]

I don't have a issue with the p zeros as I don't drive the car hard, if you haven't had any issues with them either then maybe there is your answer.

 

[mickjaguar]

I found the OE Pirellis absolutely fine until they were more than half worn during the winter. In colder temperatures (7 degrees and below) they were lethal in the wet and would spin out very easily, almost un-driveable. Although the Pirelli compound may have changed since 2015. I ran the rears down to 2mm and then moved to Michelin as a result.

 

[santoshlv426]

Regarding the Pirellis, are we comparing the Michelin to the "improved" Pirelli PZ4 - which appraently is a new tire from when the 2015/16 F Type came out with the P Zero.

Pirelli claims the PZ4 is a "substantial" improvement.

 

[Anonymous]

Regarding the Pirellis, are we comparing the Michelin to the "improved" Pirelli PZ4 - which appraently is a new tire from when the 2015/16 F Type came out with the P Zero.

Pirelli claims the PZ4 is a "substantial" improvement.

Mine has Pirelli P Zero made week 40 of 2019, how do I tell which version they are? Down to 5mm and not good traction when pulling out at junctions etc, especially if cold or wet. And no, I don’t floor it or wear ski boots!

 

[santoshlv426]

The PZ4 is different to my 2015
I obtained some pictures and compared the two. These were introduced in 2017 so we're comparing the Michelin Pilot 4 to the older Pirelli.
Maybe Pirelli addressed the losses to Michelin

https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/car/catalogue/product/new-p-zero

 

[daytona650]

The biggest difference with the Michelins in my experience is that they grip far better in the cold and when cold.

I was staggered how much better they are, but i had 2013 Pirelli's on mine for about 4 years at least- they were shocking once part worn.

 

[santoshlv426]

Finally a conclusion to this year long decision
Yesterday I fitted the Michelin Pilot 4S !

During fitment, I discovered (to my annoyance) that the car probably hit something on the left hand side (or was raced), with the previous owner(s).

The two front mags were no straight, so I got them straightened while the tires were being fitted and the old Rear Left Pirelli's were actually patched on the inside !

Now the car feels totally different and much more comfortable and controlled. I wasted two years living with this rim damage and for the Pirelli's being patched - well that's just annoying !

It needed some fine adjustment on the left rear for alignment, but the rest were fine

Even the guys that were fitting the tire mentioned how good the Michelin's are. But at least the Pirelli's served as the trainers as when I first got the car I kerbed it twice and I damaged the rim in the process !

 

[powerhouse]

I have these beauty's on Continental Sport contact 6, serious good tyres wet and dry , no issues 305 rears 265 fronts

 

[santoshlv426]

Over here, when I consulted the tire centres, only two tires came up with the size applicable to this car - The Michelin Pilot 4S and the Pirelli P Zero.
Continental was not mentioned. Hence I didn't even investigate.

Powerhouse, how have you found the Continental. Anyone else using it ?