new owner in Worcestershire

[ajac]

Hi all. New to the forum and new to F Type ownership. Absolutely loving it. I have my Son to blame as he bought a white 2015 convertible and that was enough for SWMBO and me to get our 2016 S. Here is the boy's and ours:




Our Son has had his Polaris a couple of months now, we had ours last week. The plate off his white one is now showing on a Pug 208, talk about a change!

Our Son had the supercharger knock on shut down which needed us to refit a new pulley, this was easier that expected. As for our S the only issue I can see is the Auto Start Stop does not function (or I should correctly say has not functioned since we had it except for once yesterday!)

The weather in Worcestershire has ben a bit pants lately with some snow this weekend but today we took it for a nice run after it melted- I was very surprised at just how much the snow and ice mode holds things back.

As for early questions, when looking to diag our start stop issue I compared our Sons to ours insofar as the battery is concerned. His battery is the size of a bag of sugar in the boot well, ours is nowhere to be seen - any ideas where it might be?

Great forum, fully intend to join in when my limited knowledge and over - excitement allows!
Cheers Guys.

 

[RPSN]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

They're both lovely cars.

Your auto stop/start may not be functioning properly as there could be insufficient charge in the battery? A good overnight trickle charge should sort it out or alternatively a few long journeys.

The battery on the coupe is in the left hand side of the boot floor under the cover. Just pull the cover up.

 

[Anonymous]

Hi and welcome.

I wouldn't worry about stop start in this cold weather. It will not operate below 0C or when cabin temperature has not been reached, excessive drain on battery from heated seats etc etc. Check it again when outside temp improves.

 

[RPSN]

@ajac

The following conditions will prevent an automatic engine stop:

An automatic transmission shift paddle has been used to select a gear.
The external temperature is less than approximately 0°C (32°F).
The external temperature is more than approximately 40°C (104°F).
The engine has not reached operating temperature.
The external ambient air pressure is too low (720 hPa).
The engine temperature is too high.
The engine revolution speed is too high (900 RPM).
The engine's fuel rail pressure is too low.
The driver’s seat belt is not fastened.
The fuel system's carbon canister, purge vapour concentration is too high.
The Climate control system demand requires the engine to be running (for example, in Defrost mode).
The battery charge is low.
The bonnet is opened.
The Intelligent stop/start system is activated more than 6 times a minute.
The Intelligent stop/start system is deactivated.

 

[RPSN]

I wouldn't worry about stop start in this cold weather. It will not operate below 0C or when cabin temperature has not been reached, excessive drain on battery from heated seats etc etc. Check it again when outside temp improves.

As you’ve seen from the information I posted, the auto stop/start won’t function if the external temperature is less than approximately 0°C and not 5°C as you originally stated.

Also if the Climate control system demand requires the engine to be running (for example, in Defrost mode).

The auto stop/start is functioning as it should on my car so a good overnight trickle charge on the battery should sort things out for member ajac.

 

[scm]

I wouldn't worry about stop start in this cold weather. It will not operate below 0C or when cabin temperature has not been reached, excessive drain on battery from heated seats etc etc. Check it again when outside temp improves.

As you’ve seen from the information I posted, the auto stop/start won’t function if the external temperature is less than approximately 0°C and not 5°C as you originally stated.

If you're shivering outside, "approximately 0°C" would include anything in the range +5°C to -5°C! :lol:
You really don't have to try so hard to prove you're right all the time, you know. It rather detracts from your otherwise excellent informative posts.

 

[ajac]

Thanks all for the input. I had read the criteria for start stop operation and thought I had ticked all the boxes but well worth a more detailed check when the weather improves.

I've had a CTek 5.0 for a couple of years now for my Range Rover AGM battery. - It ruined the thing and it had the AGM setting. A new battery cost me £280.00! I have used a £20.00 aldi special for the last 6 months without issue. I read the threads here on trickles and like the idea of a permanent connector in the boot. Perhaps I'll give CTek another chance.

The other things which we overlooked but are more than happy to live with are- we 'assumed' power fold mirrors. Not fitted!! Surely this was a reasonable summation on a car cost twice my first house when new. Secondly dual zone climate - not sure if it is fitted and needs configuring but both the boy's and ours do not have driver / passenger independence when adjusting.

(Oh and we knew it did not have heated seats but again a bit disappointing for a prestige sports car).

Still smiling tho!

 

[scm]

I've had a CTek 5.0 for a couple of years now for my Range Rover AGM battery. - It ruined the thing and it had the AGM setting. A new battery cost me £280.00!

Can you clarify whether the CTEK ruined the battery or the battery ruined the CTEK and, if the former, how? I guess you went to JLR for the replacement battery at that price!

MInd you, there's an F-Type guy in Australia who says new AGM batteries there run at around $1000 Oz, so it ain't always only rip-off Britain! ;0

 

[ajac]

I have no idea how the CTeck ruined the battery. I know that the Ctek was still able to condition an alternative battery but a different charger could not breath life into the old Range Rover battery. It may be pure coincidence as the Range battery was getting on a bit but you know how coincidence its rare when we mess with these things. Yes main dealer price and that was after a friends and family discount.

 

[scm]

Mmm, sounds like the battery was ruined enough that the CTEK could't fix it. I've had a battery in a second, largely unused, car that I inadvertently let run down completely, and my CTEK 5.0 managed to restore it to fully working in about 2 days, and I put the CTEK on it every month. That battery is now, blimey, it must be about 12 years old now - I should probably replace it if I ever sell the car!

 

[RPSN]

If you're shivering outside, "approximately 0°C" would include anything in the range +5°C to -5°C! :lol:
You really don't have to try so hard to prove you're right all the time, you know. It rather detracts from your otherwise excellent informative posts.

It sure is cold at the moment but there’s a notable difference between 5°C and less than approx 0°C. The stop/start system recognises this (as my car does), hence the reason for my posts.

The OP mentioned that stop/start wasn’t functioning as it should be and had only worked once since he had the car. That’s why I recommended trickle charging the battery overnight or alternatively by taking the car on a few long journeys. It’s also why I provided the Jaguar detailed info on stop/start which shows the conditions that will prevent an automatic engine stop (including if the external temperature is less than approximately 0°C and if the climate control system demand requires the engine to be running e.g. in defrost mode).

Thanks for your final comment......your posts are also excellent

 

[NavigatorNI]

Hi,

Welcome to the forum. Both cars look great.

Regarding the auto stop/start, in my experience the battery has to be well charged before this works. I don't use a trickle charger and, although not a daily driver, my car is used frequently. The stop start usually only begins to work after a long run. Having said that, when it does start to work, I usually turn it off anyway, working on the principle that I'd rather burn a few more thimblefuls (or maybe cupfuls :lol: ) of petrol than add wear and tear to the starter motor, battery etc.

My car is also only fitted with single zone climate control. Like you, I only realised this after I'd bought it. I've read various theories on different forums as to whether this can be upgraded to dual zone or not. One states that the dual zone system has dual motors etc and would be far too awkward and expensive to retrofit but I also read on the American forum that the system can be activated by editing the CCF file using SDD. However, I don't know what this actually means so if someone else on here is able to do it, or point me towards someone who can, I'd be very interested.

Anyway, enjoy your F-type ownership and the admiring glances you will receive.

 

[RPSN]

I read the threads here on trickles and like the idea of a permanent connector in the boot. Perhaps I'll give CTek another chance.

If you do, here’s a link which shows how to install the CTEK MXS 5.0 battery charger & maintainer on a 2016 Jaguar F-Type.

https://howtune.com/articles/548-install-the-battery-charger-on-a-2016-jaguar-f-type