F-Type V6S 1 Year in - Now 2 years in

scz4

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So before I begin, yes it’s a V6S not a V8, I did test drive both and will come on to that later, but this particular car was an absolute bargain so jumped at it. F-type had been my dream car for some time and was saving up for one, but didn’t think they’d be in budget for another year until this car came up on Xmas Eve 19, just days before my 40th birthday. It was meant to be. I flew down and collected it on Jan 18th 2020 from a Volvo dealer which. It came with a comprehensive warranty, thankfully! The car also had 4x new Michelin PS4 tyres and new rear brakes. It’s a “weekend car” and bought with 39k miles and now on 43k miles, obviously Covid limited the mileage last year, as did moving house.

So the car itself, it’s a 2013 (2014MY) V6S in Salsa red. It has all the essential options such as the Performance Seats, 20” wheels, Meridian sound system, active exhaust, folding mirrors, heated front windscreen and reversing camera, To put some context around my car history, my last 14 cars (with the exception of a Honda S2000) have all been BMW's, the difference in build quality is quite staggering . However this is by far the most fun car I’ve ever had. Speaking of quality, these are the issues I noted after driving the car home 400 miles.

• Headlining on soft-top above drivers head rattles\creaks like hell, you can see the previous owner has stuffed a cloth in the there to try to quieten it down, unsuccessfully. Just needed to tighten the bolts holding the headlining on
• There's a creaking coming from the front wheels when turning at slow speed – Sorted, loose inner arch
• Chassis braces corroded – Removed and power coated in satin black. Rest of the underside undersealed.
• Exhaust valves make a horrible squeaking noise when the car starts up for about 20 seconds - I used high temperature grease on the flaps to resolve this when the exhaust was removed to powder coat the chassis braces. That said, valves are now disconnected 😊
• Drivers door speaker rattles and vibrates as soon as there's some bas - Known issue, not fixed yet, rarely have the stereo on.
• You just about about have to break your thumb to engage cruise control, the steering wheel control buttons really don't work – Buttons replaced when fitting new steering wheel, see below
• Rear camera picture is shocking, even after cleaning it you can hardly see anything, like it's permanently misted – Not fixed yet, required rear bumper removal
• Heated seats take an age to warm up and never get truly hot – Just the way it is…
• Lastly, the roof didn’t open upon collection and definitely took the shine off the collection - Turned out the battery was low even after the 400 mile drive home. Turns out these cars are very sensitive to this, I now use a trickle charger and all good.



So with most items above taken care of, I went about a few minor cosmetic upgrades and maintenance:
• Full Service including LSD oil change
• Supercharger replaced under warranty due to noise detected during service, thank god for the warranty. Also took the opportunity to replaced the coolant pipes, known issue with earlier model
• Wheels powder coated in gloss black
• Brake caliper refurbishment in Salsa red to match and new Jaguar logo
• Birds bike rack fitted
• Replaced worn bronze start button with black button and the dynamic bronze toggle switch replaced with a black one
• New flat bottomed steering wheel, picked up an absolute bargain on eBay. It’s actually heated, but not connected in that way. New control buttons fitted and aluminum paddles
• Gloss black Jaguar and F-Type badges
• Extended Side skirts fitted
• New black wheels bolts
• “Dynamic” Rear diffuser
• Gloss black side vents
• Gloss black roll hoops
• Gloss black bonnet vents
• Chrome air vents from facelift model fitted
• Front splash guards
• Rubber mats
• 15m Eibach wheel spacers

What next? I’d like to wrap the front chrome grill in gloss black to match the rest of the car. I do have a set of Eibach’s lowering springs in the garage, but undecided. Also want to fit rear spring isolators to get rid of the small clunking noise, diagnosed by Jaguar and there is a technical bulletin on this for earlier cars. Otherwise just want to enjoy the car this year.

So in terms of ownership and running costs. Depreciation, the biggest “running” cost with any car, is zero, in fact I think I could probably sell for £2k-3K more than I bought for it. The cheapest V6S on them market now is still more than I paid, like for like. Road tax is around £320 a year, insurance around £400 and I’m averaging about 23mpg. Servicing annually is a pain and relatively expensive because of this. I’m used to BMW’s every two years or 18k miles. Other than the supercharger rattle, the car has been great, but there’s always something niggling at the back of my mind making me paranoid something is going to break or fail, never had this in any BMW. I know a lot of parts in the earlier cars have been superseded over the years as Jaguar refine the build. In terms of the driving experience, it’s no Boxster in the handling department, but it certainly makes up for it in the looks and sound department. I did test drive a 981 Boxster S and whilst it’s very competent, just a little lacking in character and soul. That said, the F-Type still handles really well for a relatively big and heavier than it should be car and a decent amount of steering feel since the earlier cars sill have old school hydraulic steering. Absolutely love how loud the F-type is, first weekend car I’ve never wanted to change the exhaust. Every drive is an event, it feels a very special place to be, roof up or down. It certainly attracts lot of looks and the occasional person coming over to speak about it which I’ve never had before with any other car.

So I plan to keep the car another couple of years. can’t stop looking at V8R and SVR’s. I did drive a V8R AWD for 24 hours a couple of years back and it’s absolutely crazy and let’s be honest, our days of owning these types of cars are limited, so could be the last weekend car I ever buy if I make the jump. Girlfriend now has a dog, so a Coupe would be a good choice to maximize the use of the car, albeit at the compromise of top down motoring. Also slightly attracted to the new Supra.

If anyone is in doubt, this is demonstrates the noise and fun pretty well, filmed on a relatively local road to me :) - [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6KFA7p7_aQ[/media]

Any questions let me know.

Some pics:

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Nice write up. Your car is 00696 so one the originals off the production line!
(The car in Top Gear Clarkson video was 00209).

I can't believe that mine is 4yrs old in 2 months! How time flies, but unlike most, with COVID-19 I've ended up doing more miles over the past 12 months than I would normally do with nearly 26k on the clock now but no issues to report over past 22 months. Oddly the more I've used it the less issues I've had.
Also have no plans to change car. Keep enjoying it.
 
Your car looks amazing and couldn't tell it's 2013 one. I like all the changes you did to it and I am looking to doing some of them to my f type as well - mine is Salsa Red too :)

Just got few questions :

Extended Side skirts fitted - did you get the genuine jaguar ones or aftermarket.
Flat Bottom Steering Wheel - How much did you get yours for as Ebay prices are bit crazy at the moment.
How difficult was it to install the bike rack and was it around 500 dollars?


I bought mine at the end of Jan and I think the diff has died on it with knocking noise at the back and engine management light came up... Booked with Jaguar Coventry for Tuesday and luckily got warranty on mine. Funny enough I had diff oil change booked with an indie for Monday...
 
Brozi93 said:
Your car looks amazing and couldn't tell it's 2013 one. I like all the changes you did to it and I am looking to doing some of them to my f type as well - mine is Salsa Red too :)

Just got few questions :

Extended Side skirts fitted - did you get the genuine jaguar ones or aftermarket.
Flat Bottom Steering Wheel - How much did you get yours for as Ebay prices are bit crazy at the moment.
How difficult was it to install the bike rack and was it around 500 dollars?


I bought mine at the end of Jan and I think the diff has died on it with knocking noise at the back and engine management light came up... Booked with Jaguar Coventry for Tuesday and luckily got warranty on mine. Funny enough I had diff oil change booked with an indie for Monday...

Hope you get your car sorted.

Yeah genuine side skirts, I originally bought a single one off eBay but then managed to get a pair, so have one spare if you're interested.

I think it was £200 brand new. I have an almost new non flat bottomed wheel if that's of interest... sorry this is sounding like an advert now lol.

I already had the bike rack on my Z4, but had to buy a new lower section to fit the F-type. Overall, yeah I'd say be close to £600 with import duty, VAT etc. Fairly easy to fit yet, a relaxed hour or so to get everything lined up underneath.
 
JurassicF said:
Great write up👍
Damm your garage is tidy, puts mine to shame, what flooring have you put down?

Thanks. It's G-Floor from Costco, but I've actually just returned it as it doesn't work well when jacking up cars and never rolled truly flat in the 6 months I had it which is annoying.
 
Very smart looking car. Looking to perform the same mods as you to my new coupe.

Would you PM details of the side skirt if still available please ?

Thanks
 
Darks14 said:
Very smart looking car. Looking to perform the same mods as you to my new coupe.

Would you PM details of the side skirt if still available please ?

Thanks

Away to send PM
 
Morning all,

Thought I’d post a quick update just over 2 years in. Had a another fantastic year in it F-Type, few road trips, but mainly just using it as a daily when I’m not taxiing the kids around. Car is now up at 46.5k miles, so done around 3.5k to 4k miles I think. Car is still an event every time I drive it, don't think I'll ever get bored of the noise. With that said, unfortunately the car will be up for sale this spring\summer as we now have a dog and there’s been a quite a lot of occasions where we’ve had to leave the F-type in the garage and take the estate car instead. So the plan is to swap it for a F-Type coupe, I’ll miss the convertible a lot, never had a weekend car with a roof, so a panoramic roof will be a must have option.

Only issue that the car threw up last summer was a faulty O2 sensor, so that was replaced. Managed to get the part for £80 (genuine Jaguar part) and fitted it myself, only cost was a lot of skin on my knuckles and donations to the swear jar. Car was serviced by Jaguar in July, I took the opportunity to replace the spark plugs at the same time. That means in the last 2 years it’s had LSD diff oil, brake fluid, coolant and spark plugs replaced. I also replaced the water pump in December which was around £700 with some additional hoses. I’m now confidant that all of the known “quality issues” on the earlier cars have been addressed on my car, with the exception of fitting the rear spring isolators, which I’ll get done in the next month. Also still really want to have the front chrome grill wrapped in black to complete the look. I’m tempted to have the front bumper and side skirts resprayed to tidy the car up, but have to be realistic if I’d get the money back when selling on.

One updated picture.


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I did test drive this, which would have replaced the F-type next had we not needed a usable boot for the dog. Shame.

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Thanks for the update scz4.

Be interested to hear your thoughts on the M40i Z compared to the V6F.
 
The BMW does look nice would I buy one NO , had one years ago an x5 was a nice car but you name it went wrong with it was like every 2 weeks without fail some warning light message would pop up , and under full warranty car was less than 3 years old , in the end losses all faith in it took a huge loss , they have 2 timing chains that give problems also the engine rods like smashing through the block then you have the DSG gearbox problems , never buy a bmw
 
Beltupandholdon said:
The BMW does look nice would I buy one NO , had one years ago an x5 was a nice car but you name it went wrong with it was like every 2 weeks without fail some warning light message would pop up , and under full warranty car was less than 3 years old , in the end losses all faith in it took a huge loss , they have 2 timing chains that give problems also the engine rods like smashing through the block then you have the DSG gearbox problems , never buy a bmw
Funny how people have different experiences. I had an early X5 from new. >100k and 10 years and it never missed a beat. Zero time in the garage, just a frozen door lock in Winter. I'd return the the brand in an instant, but the lovely 8 series falls too much into GT for me
 
Jeeper, the one I had was the second gen x5, 08 reg was a nice car to drive but man what a pile of crap it was made of , you were lucky , I would never buy another . Just like guys who fancy the ftype come on here for tips etc , go on a BMW or Audi site :lol: it's shocking the problems they get with engines and gear boxes , made of chocolate and that's from the only A rated gear box specialist in Scotland one of only 3 in the uk
 
Lunar said:
Thanks for the update scz4.

Be interested to hear your thoughts on the M40i Z compared to the V6F.

I wrote a long "review" on the Z4 forum I used to be a member of. Here you go! :)

Evening all,

Long term member here, but sold my E89 30i 18 months ago after buying a Jaguar F-Type V6S 2 years ago. Also had a Z4M and ESS supercharged E85 3.0i.

The M40i has intrigued me and the looks are certainly growing on me. I'm not ready to replace the F-Type yet, but had always planned to "upgrade" to the V8 model next year, however prices have rocketed and the gap is now too big to consider. I'd be looking at putting in £30k in to get a V8 AWD facelift model. Whilst I absolutely love the F-type, most entertaining car I've had by far, I simply can't justify the money (or afford it) without PCP, which I'm personally against.

So, I was away for a few days and there was a M40i for sale nearby so arranged a test drive. The car itself is for sale at Harry Fairbairn Kirkcaldy £43.5, 7k miles and ALL the options I'd want (tech and comfort package) in the gorgeous SFR. Only downside was the cream interior.

I only managed a 15 minute test drive due to time constraints, plus it was pouring down. So what did I think:

Performance- There's no escaping it's bloody fast!! No way does that car only have 330bhp, but that's well documented. Faster than my F-Type for sure. I've never had a turbocharged petrol car before, but the pick-up was excellent, very little lag in sport mode. Didn't keep an eye on red line, but seemed to run out of puff at around 6500rpm.

Gearbox - Of course it has the very familiar ZF8 box, have this in the F-type and my 530d. Definitely a different tune to the Jaguar, seemed a little slow to respond on the paddles (car in sport and knocked over into manual mode) and doesn't have the mechanical feeling\thump the F-type has (more like a DCT box), but it very smooth, much smoother than the Jag which is a good and bad thing depending on your mission.

Exhaust - Very quiet with the roof up, much much better down, nice little turbo noises. Absolutely love the burbles, much better than the obnoxious\anti-social noises the Jag makes on the overrun, but disappointing when flooring it. That said, I've definitely been spoilt with the F-type, that's it's party piece. Fake speaker sound wasn't as bad as I expected. Doesn't sound as deep as I was used to with my previous straight 6's. For me it would 100% need an aftermarket exhaust and they're certainly not cheap.

Ride - Wow, probably the biggest surprise of the car which I wasn't expecting. Even in sport the ride is very compliant, massive improvement on the two previous two versions (even with run flat replaced). Car was running super sport tyres. Couldn't really push the car in the conditions to see how it handles on the limit, but felt very sharp, light on it's feet and lots of grip even in the rain.

Interior - Very nice place to be. I'm not one for gadgets or toys in a weekend car and can't help but fear the interior will date very quickly with the digital dash. Also, seats didn't feel very supportive. Tried to play around with the settings, all I got was a very uncomfortable lumbar feel, but I'm sure that's just a lack of familiarisation and easily sorted with finding the correct bolster settings. Heated steering is amazing. Boot is huge! Heads-up was an annoyance, but appreciate those with it would never go back, but not my thing. To be fair, seeing your speed is handy, but no need for rev counter and constantly being reminded when you breach the speed limit, hope that can be turned off!

Exterior - Vey subjective, as is all of the above I guess, but as I indicated above it's really growing on me. Not as classy as the F-type, but I like it. Until I saw both yesterday, I would always have gone with Misano blue if ordering new. But I actually much prefer SFR now seeing the two side by side. Worried Misano blue will age very quickly and go out of fashion in a few year. So SFR for me, but would need to get the brake callipers colour coded, standout like a sore thumb behind the lovely wheels.

Conclusion - Unless something drastic happens with F-type V8 prices, I think the M40i will be a great replacement for the F-type in a couple of years old, mine is now 8 years old. The Jaguar is definitely the more special car (but different budgets new). Not just to look at, but the overall driving experience, every drive is an event. Whilst the Z4 is quicker probably and more dynamic, the F-Type puts a smile on your face like no other car I've owned. So for the M40i, prices need to drop to around £35k which will allow for a few modifications to complete the package and turn it into a weekend toy.
 
cj10jeeper said:
Beltupandholdon said:
The BMW does look nice would I buy one NO , had one years ago an x5 was a nice car but you name it went wrong with it was like every 2 weeks without fail some warning light message would pop up , and under full warranty car was less than 3 years old , in the end losses all faith in it took a huge loss , they have 2 timing chains that give problems also the engine rods like smashing through the block then you have the DSG gearbox problems , never buy a bmw
Funny how people have different experiences. I had an early X5 from new. >100k and 10 years and it never missed a beat. Zero time in the garage, just a frozen door lock in Winter. I'd return the the brand in an instant, but the lovely 8 series falls too much into GT for me

Certainly is funny the experiences some have compared to others. I've either been very unlucky with my Jag or very lucky with the 15+ BWM's I've had. Appreciate this is a Jaguar forum and have many enthusiasts (like myself) and loyal Jag fans, but I've had far more problems with my F-type in 8k miles of my ownership than any of my previous 14 or 15 BMW's, probably totaling 250k miles, including track cars which had a very hard life. Currently my daily is a 530D M Sport touring and girlfriend has a 330d M Sport X-Drive.

I've never had to replace a major component in any BMW, including two X5's, first and second generation. In the Jag I've had cracked pipes, split joints, leaking header tank etc. Replaced the supercharger, water pump, worn start button, sticky steering wheel buttons, o2 sensor failure, squeaky exhaust valves, sticky centre heating vents, crappy door speaker, entertainment system from 1987, door alignment issues, knocking rear springs, LSD sensitive to frequent oil changes, issue with ODBII port draining the battery, the list goes on. You can quickly see it's really not a patch on Germany engineering or quality. However, I can forgive it every time I look at it and start it up, Just as well the driving experience is super special :) You'd have to be a very brave man to run a XE\XF\F Pace etc as a daily if the F-type quality is anything to go by. For a weekender and low miles I'm totally fine with it.
 
scz4 said:
You'd have to be a very brave man to run a XE\XF\F Pace etc as a daily if the F-type quality is anything to go by. For a weekender and low miles I'm totally fine with it.

I think you've been very unlucky. Since 2007 I've had a 2001 XK8, a 2004 XKR and a 2010 XKR before my F-Type and none of them let me down or cost a packet to run. I have a good, no, excellent, independent who does what's needed and doesn't charge me based on my limbs! When I first got the XK8 I kept my 2001 Almera for when the Jag was off the road (yeah, I believed them, too!) and since then the Almera usually only gets driven for its MOT, and occasional trips to the tip - since 2007 it's clocked up 1757 miles. Who'd have thought a Jag was more reliable than a Nissan?
 
After the horrific experience of that bmw (oldest had a 325i coupe had a few problems to ) i sold the small successful business i ran , And took early retirement , was looking for a "sports car " fancied a 911, It was being sold by a local jaguar dealer took in as a trade in , nice dark metallic blue car with black interior , Went and had a look at it , and while their noticed a lovely slate grey metallic xk with ivory interior , it was the shape of the car , Love at first sight . i had that wonderful car for 3 years not one single fault , i then bought the new shape jaguar xj car in premium spec , that is the middle spec for these cars , a diesel twin turbo silver with the black leather inside , again mostly fault free , only door lock freezing in winter a common fault on all jaguars , Again had car for 3 years . i then traded that in for another 3 litre diesel jaguar xj this time a black portfolio model had that for 2and half years . car was lovely to drive like the last xj , but was a much higher spec car , Came with illuminated tread plates etc better seats , then around this time all the debate about diesel cars came into play and seen as it was nearly 3 years i had it i sold that car with less than 25,000 on clock for another jag , This time reverting back in years to a 11reg xkr all black 5litre job . car was again nearly fault free apart from replacing a battery sure that was that , but cost a small fortune on maintenance , Diff oil replaced , spark plugs replaced , gearbox service , supercharger belt and ancillary belt replaced , new discs and pads new tyres , 2 new rear shock absorbers , then came the present Ftype and before the ftype whilst i had the xkr i bought this as my daily ride still have it , so their you go so far i have a very good experience with jags :P cars have came out in reverse photo wise but you get the programme lol
 

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Beltupandholdon said:
After the horrific experience of that bmw (oldest had a 325i coupe had a few problems to ) i sold the small successful business i ran , And took early retirement , was looking for a "sports car " fancied a 911, It was being sold by a local jaguar dealer took in as a trade in , nice dark metallic blue car with black interior , Went and had a look at it , and while their noticed a lovely slate grey metallic xk with ivory interior , it was the shape of the car , Love at first sight . i had that wonderful car for 3 years not one single fault , i then bought the new shape jaguar xj car in premium spec , that is the middle spec for these cars , a diesel twin turbo silver with the black leather inside , again mostly fault free , only door lock freezing in winter a common fault on all jaguars , Again had car for 3 years . i then traded that in for another 3 litre diesel jaguar xj this time a black portfolio model had that for 2and half years . car was lovely to drive like the last xj , but was a much higher spec car , Came with illuminated tread plates etc better seats , then around this time all the debate about diesel cars came into play and seen as it was nearly 3 years i had it i sold that car with less than 25,000 on clock for another jag , This time reverting back in years to a 11reg xkr all black 5litre job . car was again nearly fault free apart from replacing a battery sure that was that , but cost a small fortune on maintenance , Diff oil replaced , spark plugs replaced , gearbox service , supercharger belt and ancillary belt replaced , new discs and pads new tyres , 2 new rear shock absorbers , then came the present Ftype and before the ftype whilst i had the xkr i bought this as my daily ride still have it , so their you go so far i have a very good experience with jags :P cars have came out in reverse photo wise but you get the programme lol

Glad you've had a good experience with your various Jags. I think the trick is perhaps to avoid the early cars for each model, you just have to see how many parts have been superseded during the production runs. I'm confident I've ironed all of these out and it certainly hasn't put me off purchasing another. But as I said, if I was doing 15k miles a year it would be a different story.
 
You will never hear of gear box problems on modern jags and apart from some spring coupler on supercharger the engines are solid unlike the BMW or Audi cars most problems jags have are silly electrical problems brought on by a failing or weak battery
 
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