Engine woes.. anything sound familiar?

tjs

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I've got a 2014 R Coupe and have recently hit some hard to diagnose engine issues.

I'm just wondering if the symptoms sounds familiar to anyone...

Background:
A couple of weeks ago a did a 150 mile or so motorway trip. Almost immediately I noticed the car sounded... Different. I can't say what, but something not quite the same. It still felt fine to drive, and importantly there was no check engine light... Just sounded... Different.

On the return journey, I stopped for fuel and almost immediately afterwards I got a check engine light. It didn't sound or feel any different to the prior journey, but now had the engine light on.

I dropped it to a local garage (Jag main dealers had a month long wait time...) and they initially said there were tons (around 40) different fault codes logged. Everything from wrong fuel, to ABS failure, just lots of different things.

They said some were probably historic and may have been caused by a low or flat battery in the past, so they cleared it all and ran the car, to get a clean slate.

The car initially threw up no engine codes, despite sounding the same to me ("different"). We took it for a few short drives, everything from low revs cruising to one or two attempts to rev it out. No engine light came back on, but the car wouldn't rev to the limiter. It would get to around 5.5k rpm and then start juddering.

Eventually it came up with a fault again, this time for the catalytic converter. It also came up with a random cylinder misfire but much less often (we ran it a few times).

The Jaguar diagnostic software suggested starting with replacing the O2 sensors. Parts ordered and changed, and initially the car felt better.

We ran it for a short drive and it didn't log any codes. We then tried a few red line pulls and this time it actually reached the red line, but it felt really down on power, getting worse with each successive run.

Several pulls in second gear:
The first one felt ok, but slower than normal

The second one it pulled strong to 4.5k rpm and then it felt like the torque dropped away, like I was only at about 25% throttle.

The third, same again but this time at about 6.5k rpm it really struggled to rev the final 500rpm or so. No juddering or feeling as if it was missing, but it took ages to rev.

After that we cruised back to the garage at low rpm to re-check. Sat waiting on a roundabout it wouldn't idle properly and started juddering and felt like a misfire. It then started flashing the check engine light.

Rechecking codes at the garage it had logged a consistent misfire on cylinder 6, and also failures to the power control module.

At this point the next step is checking and replacing injectors, spark plugs, compression test, catalytic converters etc...

I'm waiting to hear back from the garage about what they find tomorrow, but I'm just wondering if anyone else has had similar symptoms and what the solution was?
 
I presume this has occurred after your track day?

I personally don't know what you mean by different unless you have a video? I might suggest a dealer might have better diagnostic tools to help find the root cause. Good luck, keep us informed.
 
simpleR said:
I presume this has occurred after your track day?

I personally don't know what you mean by different unless you have a video? I might suggest a dealer might have better diagnostic tools to help find the root cause. Good luck, keep us informed.

Yes, so after about a total of roughly 1.5hrs on track. I then did a 1000 mile motorway trip (more or less) back to the UK and it had no issues.

I did run out of fuel on track though, so that seems like it could be relevant, but I've done a lot of trouble free mileage since then.

A few short journeys when home and still fine.

Then on the trip to London I noticed it sounded...off. Sorry I can't be more specific, I'm not even sure what sounds different.

The garage have said it was stuck in open loop because of the failed O2 sensor so that may have been the issue (running slightly differently), but I'm not sure.
 
I'll put £1 on a bit of dirt getting dragged up from the bottom of the tank when you ran out of fuel which is now stuck in an injector.

Ties in with an intermittent misfire and struggle to get to the red line.

With 8 (6?) cylinders your less likely to notice if half of one isn't firing properly under normal driving.
 
I had a similar issue. It was No 1 Catalytic converter failure. A grands worth of stuff ordered by Hatfield & fitted under warrantee. Perfect now. What I did notice though as well as the not sounding & pulling right. Everytime I slowed down after a hi rev stint the car smelled of what I can only say burning brakes. Maybe the cat was split open & leaking gas fumes. It's ok now with the new cat fitted. Hope you get it sorted.
 
steviegtr said:
I had a similar issue. It was No 1 Catalytic converter failure. A grands worth of stuff ordered by Hatfield & fitted under warrantee. Perfect now. What I did notice though as well as the not sounding & pulling right. Everytime I slowed down after a hi rev stint the car smelled of what I can only say burning brakes. Maybe the cat was split open & leaking gas fumes. It's ok now with the new cat fitted. Hope you get it sorted.

That's interesting. There's no abnormal smell with mine, but it is _massively_ down on power and misfiring. Not sure if it's the same issue but a failed cat was flagged as a possible cause.

I wanted to change to a sports cat or maybe decat very soon, so this could be an excuse to just buy one and see if it fixes it...

But it's going to throw emission warnings unless the ECU is reprogrammed. Does anyone know if the car will still run ok in that situation? (I want to take the car to get the map and pulley done, but obviously not until it's running correctly)

Basically I'm happy to try fitting a sports cat and seeing if the problem goes away, but it will mean driving it on the stock ECU until I can get it remapped later this month...
 
Sounds similar to my old Mini Cooper JCW. It lost its sparkle very suddenly, was down on power, but did throw a engine management warning. It was the catalytic converter, and it had to be replaced. It instantly got its growl back! They are easily damaged I believe.
 
Don't forget you have 2 cats. one per bank. Mine did drive ok most of the time so I would think you may have another problem lurking.
 
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