I shall quote....familysimon said <blockquote>Y<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">ou can drift these cars SAFELY and in perfect [computer] control </blockquote> next time I slide past the local constabulary sideways in the rain </span><img src="http://www.ftypeforums.co.uk/images/converted_files/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">I haven't got that brave yet. I went to Millbrook proving ground to have a thrash in the V6S, V8S Conv and the V8R with Ceramics. We weren't allowed to </span>hang the rear ends out unfortunately, but I pushed them to where they were just about to let go. As you rightly say, the track is the place to play, and what better car to take round than your own so that you get a feel for where the machine gets out of balance etc etc.</div><div>For me, once I had learnt where that point was, I'd squirt it for a few more corners until the great hammer of reality fell on my head, and reminded me of the cost of new rear tyres...but then again, the entertainment factor would most probably win. I grin form ear to ear with the pops and emotion from the four trumpets sticking way out back!</div><div><br></div><div>As is inscribed inside the petrol tank of one of Jay Leno's early British race bikes (Vello or a Bruff), "Whip it like a mule"</div><div><br></div>